The Antichrist

[garee]

So this verse has got me thinking, from a technological point of view, it sounds like these locusts have been programmed to go after a specific target, as if the target concerned is emitting some kind of signal, that these locusts will home in on?

I have wondered if the locusts mentioned could be in relation to flying drones of some kind?

They are lying spirits .Literal locust can work for Hollywood drama.

 

[iamsoandso]

Now this got me thinking and it involves researching into the past when it comes to beheading. For example, looking into the past involved with Church of England and King Henry VIII, (as back then King Henry VIII was head of the Church of England just like Pope is to Catholic Church). Have a read up on Thomas More, got beheaded for refusing to take the Oath of Supremacy.

It does stand to reason those who refuse to accept the mark and worship him, from a world point of view that act could be considered a form of treason, which explains the beheading.

We really need to be on guard in these end times, and I hate to say this, but so many people will be rolling out the red carpet and welcoming the anti-messiah with open arms. Sadly, it is my opinion many have already accepted him in their hearts.





Are you referring to the locusts that are mention in Rev 9 ??

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Oh, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that you are talking about the following scripture:

"And out of the smoke, locusts descended on the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads."

If the above is what you are talking about, this is referring to those demonic beings that resemble locusts. Normally locusts will eat every green thing in site, but these are not normal locust and are told not to harm the grass, plants or trees, but only those who don't have the seal of God on their foreheads, which means only those 144,000 who come out of Israel who are sealed in Rev.7 are exempt from the torment of these demonic beings with tails and stings like scorpions. Everyone else will be exposed to this trumpet judgment.

If this is not the one you were talking about, then please give me the location of the scripture. Thanks!

lol indeed Revelation 7 and 9 are what I am asking you in post # 113 "when", before or after they have been sealed? ...

 

[garee]

That was my feeling as well, that he was referring to the demonic locusts, where those sealed (144,000) would be exempt from the torment of this 5th trumpet.

The 144,000... a number that no man could count (God does not give exact numbers) are those who are sealed (his chaste virgin bride the church).

The signified language used as parables is given from the stand point of the last day, the Lord's day, or the day of the Lord. The same day all born again believers will receive their new incorruptible bodies. (neither male nor female Jew nor Gentile) the day of the last trumpet, the wakeup call

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Revelation 1:10

Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.Revelation 7:12-17


Its the end of the world old things will not be remembered or ever come to mind

 

[garee]

yes...



lol indeed Revelation 7 and 9 are what I am asking you in post # 113 "when", before or after they have been sealed? ...

Those who are sealed are not concerned with the mark. The focus is on the seal as in no one can snatch them from my fathers will or hand.

 

[iamsoandso]

Those who are sealed are not concerned with the mark. The focus is on the seal as in no one can snatch them from my fathers will or hand.

lol,,,"WHEN",,,,is what I keep asking.

Why is if the 144,000 are the ones from Revelation 7:14 then the tribulation(Matthew 24) has already taken place by the time Revelation 9 unfolds(they have all already recieved the mark, beast or God).

 

[garee]

lol,,,"WHEN",,,,is what I keep asking.

Why is if the 144,000 are the ones from Revelation 7:14 then the tribulation(Matthew 24) has already taken place by the time Revelation 9 unfolds(they have all already recieved the mark, beast or God).

The 144,000 represent all who names will be found in the lambs book of life, one of the two books that will be opened . They have the seal, receiving the mark does not come into question and somehow they loss the seal. This is seeing the mark represents those who are not sealed .(Natural unconverted man.) The mark of a restless (no sabbath rest ) wanderer.

 

[iamsoandso]

Think about it...
Matthew 24:15-21(say GT comes when the AOD is seen)...
Revelation 7:3(don't hurt yet because their not sealed yet)...
Revelation 9:4(hurt only the ones with MOB/but not kill)...

So 2 Thessalonian 2:3,,, does the man of sin come/rise and then the locust in Rev.9:4 hurt the ones with the mark? You see I am asking because the locust cant do those things to the ones who don't have the mark of God until after it is given(those sealed).

 

[Ahwatukee]

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lol indeed Revelation 7 and 9 are what I am asking you in post # 113 "when", before or after they have been sealed? ...

Morning! Well, since the demon locusts don't come out of the Abyss until the 5th trumpet is sounded and the sealing of the 144,000 takes place prior to the 5th trumpet, I would say that they are already sealed by the time those demonic locusts come out. As far as the rest of the people on the planet, as soon as that 5th trumpet blows and those things come out of the Abyss, everyone will be exposed to the torment of their stings, except of course the 144,000 who will have already been sealed.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The 144,000... a number that no man could count (God does not give exact numbers) are those who are sealed (his chaste virgin bride the church).

Morning Garee!

The 144,000 is not a number which no man can count, as you just recited their number above as being 144,000. In chapter 7 of Revelation, there are two groups mentioned, the literal number of 144,000 who are sealed from the twelve tribes of Israel and that group in white robes which no man can count from every nation, tribe, people and language, which makes them Gentiles, where the 144,000 of Israel. The very fact that we are given the number of the first group as 144,000 and the second group as "a number that no man can count" demonstrates that God is being literal in His description of both groups.

The signified language used as parables is given from the stand point of the last day, the Lord's day, or the day of the Lord. The same day all born again believers will receive their new incorruptible bodies. (neither male nor female Jew nor Gentile) the day of the last trumpet, the wakeup call

The above is not parabolic language, but is meant to be interpreted in the literal sense. When you haphazardly apply symbolism to scripture information that is to be interpreted in the literal sense, you distort the word of God, which is what you have done here. If the plain literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense. That said, there is nothing in the scripture that would require a symbolic or parabolic interpretation.

Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Revelation 7:12-17.

The information above is referring to that group of white robed saints which no man can count, not the 144,000, which as I said is a different group. As the scripture states, this Gentile group which no man can count are those saints who come out of the great tribulation period, which is the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. These are the same ones that the beast is given authority to make war against and conquer.

Be careful to not follow after those false teachers who make both the 144,000 and the white robed saints which no man can count, as being the same group, for they are not and the numbers are accurate.

 

[iamsoandso]

Morning! Well, since the demon locusts don't come out of the Abyss until the 5th trumpet is sounded and the sealing of the 144,000 takes place prior to the 5th trumpet, I would say that they are already sealed by the time those demonic locusts come out. As far as the rest of the people on the planet, as soon as that 5th trumpet blows and those things come out of the Abyss, everyone will be exposed to the torment of their stings, except of course the 144,000 who will have already been sealed.

So the GT and the AOB both would be prior also?

 

[Ahwatukee]

So the GT and the AOB both would be prior also?

The great tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. I don't know what "AOB" is referring to.

Jesus identified the great tribulation period, as can be seen from the following:

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened."

So, in verse 15, Jesus quotes Daniel regarding the abomination. We know from Dan.9:27 prophecy that the abomination is set up in the middle of the seven years. Therefore in Matt.24:15, when Jesus says "So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination of desolation" he is placing the event of the abomination in the middle of the seven years, which He refers to as "the great tribulation" in verse 21. Where Matt.24:30-31 would represent the end of the seven years and His return to the earth to end the age. Though the wrath of God will already have been in the process of being poured out on the earth via the seals, trumpets, the other reason that it will be called the great tribulation, is because at the setting up of the abomination in the middle of the seven years, this is when the antichrist/beast stops Israel's sacrificing and the woman/Israel flees out into the desert (Matt.24:19-22, Rev.12:6, 14) and is when he will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God (2 Thes.2:4).

 

[Lazarus700]

That is another trick by the anti-christ to bewilder u to take ur mind off the spiritual war-fare at hand between good an evil in these last days only the very elect will see this diabolical plot to deceive the saints! Many are called but few are chosen beware!

To teach us how Him not seen desires to be heard....by faith( the unseen)

Again I would offer. No such gift of infallibility in respect to human teachers. We walk by faith, not by sight. There simply is, no what scripture calls a "daysman" (Job 9) as an infallible umpire. A man as that seen that stands as a mediator in between God and man.
This is as if our supernatural God, as in no nature as a beginning somehow was a flesh and blood man, as us.

Even Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of God, as the Son of man refused the title as an infallible umpire called "Master".

One is our Master in heaven not seen..... just as in the same way one is our Father in heaven not seen. (Mathew 23)

The counterfeiter, the father of lies, the god of this world who from the beginning in the garden of Eden turned things upside down by taking away the understanding of God not seen... creating the oral traditions of men as commandments of men (things seen).

Luke 18:18-20 King James Version (KJV) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.

God defines the words he uses to give us the unseen understanding. God not seen defines the eternal things by that which he makes, calling them good, perfect or complete to represent Him again not seen as good(.God )

I would offer it makes an interesting study when looking at the word good as to how the bible defines it

That which is seen is not the source of good but the product. The product never becomes the source of faith.To those who think it does it becomes the source of blasphemy attributing the work of Him not seen our eternal God to that seen mankind.

It is why I believe he warns us in 1 John 2 of those who insist we need a man to teach us as to the spirit of the antichrist . They went out from us because they were not with the us scriptures define as us . they assumed the power was from them and not freely given as a gift

2 Corinthians 4:7 King James Version (KJV)7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I would think that power or authority is Light .God is light and not only that he can create light but it is what makes him distinct from his creation (the Sun and the moon, the temporal time keepers . that kind of light were not used until the fourth day

1 John 1:5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Interestingly if we would search the words "God and good" together and it appears 99 time in the King James seemingly to represent "God is light" as in him not seen there is no darkness, setting the foundation as the first work of His faith or labor of His love as our faithful Creator.

Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Genesis 1:10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

And then he rested from his labor of Love or work of His faith.

Again God uses the word God to represent himself as not seen .We seek His approval of him not seen not teachers seen

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

U left the the discussion of anti- christ!

A lot of people believe thataccording to Daniel 11:37 The Antichrist will be homosexual.

One of many abominations he will carry look around u same sex marriage as an example of his tyranny!

 

[iamsoandso]

The great tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. I don't know what "AOB" is referring to.

Jesus identified the great tribulation period, as can be seen from the following:

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand), then let those in Judea flee to the mountains. Let no one on the housetop come down to retrieve anything from his house. And let no one in the field return for his cloak.

How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened."

So, in verse 15, Jesus quotes Daniel regarding the abomination. We know from Dan.9:27 prophecy that the abomination is set up in the middle of the seven years. Therefore in Matt.24:15, when Jesus says "So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination of desolation" he is placing the event of the abomination in the middle of the seven years, which He refers to as "the great tribulation" in verse 21. Where Matt.24:30-31 would represent the end of the seven years and His return to the earth to end the age. Though the wrath of God will already have been in the process of being poured out on the earth via the seals, trumpets, the other reason that it will be called the great tribulation, is because at the setting up of the abomination in the middle of the seven years, this is when the antichrist/beast stops Israel's sacrificing and the woman/Israel flees out into the desert (Matt.24:19-22, Rev.12:6, 14) and is when he will stand in the temple proclaiming himself to be God (2 Thes.2:4).

lol,I agree it should have been AOD

It makes no sense though the way you explain the last paragraph in that you see God pouring out his wrath on them before they worship the beast image why would he pour his wrath out on those who received the mark or worship him if it doesn't take place until afterwards?

 

[Ahwatukee]

lol,I agree it should have been AOD

It makes no sense though the way you explain the last paragraph in that you see God pouring out his wrath on them before they worship the beast image why would he pour his wrath out on those who received the mark or worship him if it doesn't take place until afterwards?

Once the church has been gathered, then the antichrist will be revealed and God's wrath will be poured out during that entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, with Christ returning shortly after the 7 bowl has been poured out.

"Then I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: seven angels with the seven final plagues, with which the wrath of God will be completed."

"Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came from the throne in the temple, saying, “It is done!”

 

[iamsoandso]

Once the church has been gathered, then the antichrist will be revealed and God's wrath will be poured out during that entire seven years via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, with Christ returning shortly after the 7 bowl has been poured out.

"Then I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: seven angels with the seven final plagues, with which the wrath of God will be completed."

"Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came from the throne in the temple, saying, “It is done!”

lol, so when do you think they will worship his image and buy and sell with his money? Why do you think God would punnish someone who has not yet done the sin he is pouring out his wrath on them for? Or does the Antichrist come prior to this while the Church is still here?

 

[ComeLordJesus]

lol, so when do you think they will worship his image and buy and sell with his money? Why do you think God would punnish someone who has not yet done the sin he is pouring out his wrath on them for? Or does the Antichrist come prior to this while the Church is still here?

You were told that The Antichrist will not come while the Church is still here.

Once the church has been gathered, then the antichrist will be revealed

 

[iamsoandso]

You were told that The Antichrist will not come while the Church is still here.

lol ,,come and revealed are two different words. The concearn I have is with the wrath of God beginning before they actually commit the sin .

 

[Ahwatukee]

lol, so when do you think they will worship his image and buy and sell with his money?

Well, since the mark of the beast is mentioned just after the sounding of the 7th trumpet, I believe that the mark will become mandatory, i.e. the only valid method of electronic buying selling, around the middle of the seven years when the beast proclaims himself to be God. Until then, the technology for the mark will continue to evolve leading up to when the time of the revealing of the antichirst.

Why do you think God would punish someone who has not yet done the sin he is pouring out his wrath on them for? Or does the Antichrist come prior to this while the Church is still here?

If I am readying the above correctly, you are asking why God would punish people for using the electronic crediting and debiting system by accepting that RFID implant before the antichrist is revealed? I don't know if God will punish people or not for using the technology before the time. But, I would think that those who are in Christ and have the Spirit of God in them, out of love and honor for God that they would resist electronic buying selling, whether by card swiping, mobile apps or by having anything implanted under the skin of the hand. For this reason I personally have rejected electronic crediting and debiting and continue to use cash and checks to pay my monthly debts. As Christian's we should not want to have anything to do with it.

 

[iamsoandso]

Well, since the mark of the beast is mentioned just after the sounding of the 7th trumpet, I believe that the mark will become mandatory, i.e. the only valid method of electronic buying selling, around the middle of the seven years when the beast proclaims himself to be God. Until then, the technology for the mark will continue to evolve leading up to when the time of the revealing of the antichirst.



If I am readying the above correctly, you are asking why God would punish people for using the electronic crediting and debiting system by accepting that RFID implant before the antichrist is revealed? I don't know if God will punish people or not for using the technology before the time. But, I would think that those who are in Christ and have the Spirit of God in them, out of love and honor for God that they would resist electronic buying selling, whether by card swiping, mobile apps or by having anything implanted under the skin of the hand. For this reason I personally have rejected electronic crediting and debiting and continue to use cash and checks to pay my monthly debts. As Christian's we should not want to have anything to do with it.

lol,

 

[iamsoandso]

Sure wish I could say the same but,no way to get my s.s. or file my taxes,,,,or pay my isp ?