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There is one thing to twist the scripture to fit my theology, there is another to have a different interpretation than you do.
I simply have a different interpretation than you do. This does not make me satan. You are making me out to be satan incarnate, because I don't tow your line.
Christians are all over the place and have many interpretations about what it means to be born of water and born of the sprit. Yours is just 1. Mine is another. So stop with you are satan. I have my right to believe what I think is right. You have your right to believe what you think is right. I will never call you satan or even intimate you are cain or son of cain. So stop calling me names.
Have an adult discussion about these things and who knows, you may be able to persuade me to your interpretation. But calling me bad names, does not bode well from one Christian to another Christian.
I simply have a different interpretation than you do. This does not make me satan. You are making me out to be satan incarnate, because I don't tow your line.
Christians are all over the place and have many interpretations about what it means to be born of water and born of the sprit. Yours is just 1. Mine is another. So stop with you are satan. I have my right to believe what I think is right. You have your right to believe what you think is right. I will never call you satan or even intimate you are cain or son of cain. So stop calling me names.
Have an adult discussion about these things and who knows, you may be able to persuade me to your interpretation. But calling me bad names, does not bode well from one Christian to another Christian.
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your "interpretation" of the many many verses we have went over paint a false gospel that doesnt agree with the bible
it twists and distorts many verses
denies others outright
questions the character of God
and this was a discussion until you continued to use shady tactics to impute false beliefs to others
using straw men and disingenuous remarks to try and prove a point that in itself is anti-truth
now im giving you reproof hoping you come to the truth
this hasnt been a discussion for awhile ben
i have seen no truth or good fruit from you
im willing to step back and just leave you to my brothers and sisters
given even now you play dumb and act as if you havent constantly made sly remarks and passive aggressive comments
imputed beliefs to people who didnt hold them
this SHOWS you dont WANT a back and forth
you want to teach your gospel and stump sons and daughters of God
this is my view of you based from what ive seen of you
maybe im hardheaded and far from perfect
maybe i speak too much and dont proof read my posts
but im honest and not trying to get over on anyone here
but i believe that YOU believe in works salvation (your own righteousness to save you regardless of your silly semantics... this is based on all the things you add to "saved by grace through faith")
i also believe you function as a wolf so long as you push this false gospel
and do not rest your hope entirely in Jesus Christ (not adding works of men on top of this)
if i am wrong here
feel free to report me
and mods
feel free to ban me i wont make a big stink or multi accounts like some do
im trying my best to shine light on the truth and cast down doctrines which are not of God
not "call names" like you suggest
it twists and distorts many verses
denies others outright
questions the character of God
and this was a discussion until you continued to use shady tactics to impute false beliefs to others
using straw men and disingenuous remarks to try and prove a point that in itself is anti-truth
now im giving you reproof hoping you come to the truth
this hasnt been a discussion for awhile ben
i have seen no truth or good fruit from you
im willing to step back and just leave you to my brothers and sisters
given even now you play dumb and act as if you havent constantly made sly remarks and passive aggressive comments
imputed beliefs to people who didnt hold them
this SHOWS you dont WANT a back and forth
you want to teach your gospel and stump sons and daughters of God
this is my view of you based from what ive seen of you
maybe im hardheaded and far from perfect
maybe i speak too much and dont proof read my posts
but im honest and not trying to get over on anyone here
but i believe that YOU believe in works salvation (your own righteousness to save you regardless of your silly semantics... this is based on all the things you add to "saved by grace through faith")
i also believe you function as a wolf so long as you push this false gospel
and do not rest your hope entirely in Jesus Christ (not adding works of men on top of this)
if i am wrong here
feel free to report me
and mods
feel free to ban me i wont make a big stink or multi accounts like some do
im trying my best to shine light on the truth and cast down doctrines which are not of God
not "call names" like you suggest
These are wonderful scriptures and I believe they are telling the truth.
Now interpret John 15:1-2, especially when Jesus says that "every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit, he taketh away.
So interpret these items in the saying:
1) who are the 'branches'?
2) what does Jesus mean when he says "every branch IN ME"?
3) who is 'he'?
4) what does Jesus mean, 'he taketh away'?
5) who is 'he' going to take away"
6) where is 'he' going to take them?
Thank you for your analysis.
Now interpret John 15:1-2, especially when Jesus says that "every branch IN ME that beareth not fruit, he taketh away.
So interpret these items in the saying:
1) who are the 'branches'?
2) what does Jesus mean when he says "every branch IN ME"?
3) who is 'he'?
4) what does Jesus mean, 'he taketh away'?
5) who is 'he' going to take away"
6) where is 'he' going to take them?
Thank you for your analysis.
Not answering for TT here.
But is it possible
The branches that bore fruit were the 11 disciples and all true disciples of the church.
And the fruitless branches represent Judas and those who in fact were never true disciples to begin with?
This passage falls in the scripture of John. (By the way I love these chapters)
Before this passage Jesus says one of you will betray me, then he gives the new commandment, then he tells Peter you will deny me, then he says "Im the way truth and life, then he promises the Holy Spirit.
Then we have the vine.
Jesus knew what was about to happen, with Judas and with Peter (I surmise with Thomas as well)
Peter cut the High Priests servant ear off.
He prayed for all belivers in these chapters, he knew Gethsemane was approaching, he knew crucifixion was imminent.
Judas betrays Jesus, Peter denied Jesus 3 times.
Peter is restored (and I still put it out there that Peter never asked to be forgiven of his of denying Jesus)
Judas was not restored.
Why not?
I would say it was because he never knew the real Jesus in the first place.
He was never a true disciple in the first place.
He was a tare and Jesus knew that, never a genuine beliver to begin with.
He was looking to a Jesus that would overthrow Rome.
I put it out there that the branches cut off are not genuine belivers, they never knew him, have no interest in knowing him and have no interest in wanting to be like him.
Have never made him Lord and have no interest in doing so.
Those in the vine even though they wither, bear good fruit but also bear bad fruit will acknowledge they bear bad fruit.
That's why they are pruned and not cut off.
Fruit
Galatians 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Fruit produces works.
Genuine belivers will be pruned to bear more fruit.
One tree that bears one apple will be pruned to produce two and so on.
It can only be pruned if it's planted in the soil.
For me if it was never planted in the soil or the vine in the first place then they had no true faith.
The true faith that saves, just like Peter and unlike Judas
But is it possible
The branches that bore fruit were the 11 disciples and all true disciples of the church.
And the fruitless branches represent Judas and those who in fact were never true disciples to begin with?
This passage falls in the scripture of John. (By the way I love these chapters)
Before this passage Jesus says one of you will betray me, then he gives the new commandment, then he tells Peter you will deny me, then he says "Im the way truth and life, then he promises the Holy Spirit.
Then we have the vine.
Jesus knew what was about to happen, with Judas and with Peter (I surmise with Thomas as well)
Peter cut the High Priests servant ear off.
He prayed for all belivers in these chapters, he knew Gethsemane was approaching, he knew crucifixion was imminent.
Judas betrays Jesus, Peter denied Jesus 3 times.
Peter is restored (and I still put it out there that Peter never asked to be forgiven of his of denying Jesus)
Judas was not restored.
Why not?
I would say it was because he never knew the real Jesus in the first place.
He was never a true disciple in the first place.
He was a tare and Jesus knew that, never a genuine beliver to begin with.
He was looking to a Jesus that would overthrow Rome.
I put it out there that the branches cut off are not genuine belivers, they never knew him, have no interest in knowing him and have no interest in wanting to be like him.
Have never made him Lord and have no interest in doing so.
Those in the vine even though they wither, bear good fruit but also bear bad fruit will acknowledge they bear bad fruit.
That's why they are pruned and not cut off.
Fruit
Galatians 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Fruit produces works.
Genuine belivers will be pruned to bear more fruit.
One tree that bears one apple will be pruned to produce two and so on.
It can only be pruned if it's planted in the soil.
For me if it was never planted in the soil or the vine in the first place then they had no true faith.
The true faith that saves, just like Peter and unlike Judas
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You called me a 'liar'. Is that not a 'name'? In fact a horrible name?
I do not report, we are adults.
I do have a particular theology, I interpret scripture based on that theology. So do you. We do not have the same theology and therefore we interpret scripture differently. That is not unusual.
You believe in ES and I do not. I believe that being born again is not the end, and from that time to the resurrection you are guaranteed eternal life. You do. Again our differences are not that unusual. I believe that being born again is just the beginning, and that we are born again unto good works in Jesus. We believe in Jesus, we trust Jesus, we do not lose sight of the cross, we believe in his grace, and the result of being born a new person in Christ is a disposition towards following Jesus and doing the kind of good works that he did.
If this theology is so wicked, I stand before Jesus and take my case before him. But I will not stand before him and declare how great works I have done and I deserve to be saved. What I will do is ask for his mercy and his love for a sinner like me.
I do not report, we are adults.
I do have a particular theology, I interpret scripture based on that theology. So do you. We do not have the same theology and therefore we interpret scripture differently. That is not unusual.
You believe in ES and I do not. I believe that being born again is not the end, and from that time to the resurrection you are guaranteed eternal life. You do. Again our differences are not that unusual. I believe that being born again is just the beginning, and that we are born again unto good works in Jesus. We believe in Jesus, we trust Jesus, we do not lose sight of the cross, we believe in his grace, and the result of being born a new person in Christ is a disposition towards following Jesus and doing the kind of good works that he did.
If this theology is so wicked, I stand before Jesus and take my case before him. But I will not stand before him and declare how great works I have done and I deserve to be saved. What I will do is ask for his mercy and his love for a sinner like me.
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i dont feel like i was lying when i said that
or falsely accusing you
but at this moment you actually seem to be very open and genuine
im sorry ben
im willing to forget everything
drop it
and start fresh
i wont bring up any past comments about you and
please do not try to be passive aggressive or bait me
but how can you say you believe we are saved by grace through faith
then add works as requirements?
scripture clearly tells us not to do this
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
or falsely accusing you
but at this moment you actually seem to be very open and genuine
im sorry ben
im willing to forget everything
drop it
and start fresh
i wont bring up any past comments about you and
please do not try to be passive aggressive or bait me
but how can you say you believe we are saved by grace through faith
then add works as requirements?
scripture clearly tells us not to do this
And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
ALL manner of sin against the Son of an shall be forgiven and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit boils down to unbelief into the work of Christ as from GOD...a man that will not believe cannot be forgiven......THINK ABOUT THAT and lose your false dogma.....SEE....no matter how you twit up and deny the truth of eternal security it always comes back to your erroneous view.....wow man....have a piece of cake!
You are just a "Modern day Pharisee", with rules and regulations, does and don'ts. The fact that you believe you can lose your eternal salvation is proof of your false gospel. And after 140 pages not one person has given you a "like sticker", not one. Why? because nobody believes you, you have gone the way of Cain, go right ahead and try to save yourself or, repent and believe.
John6:35-37
35) Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
36) But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37) All those the Father gives me will come to me, and "whoever comes to me I will never drive away."
John6:35-37
35) Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.
36) But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe.
37) All those the Father gives me will come to me, and "whoever comes to me I will never drive away."
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