You can pray in tongues silently, I do it all the time. I live with others that might think me crazy.
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You can pray in tongues silently, I do it all the time. I live with others that might think me crazy.
Ah, see!! A tongues speaker who is willing to admit that perhaps if you pray in tongues, you are praying in spirit, does not mean that a nontongues speaker never prays in the spirit.
Besides which, when you pray in tongues, you are not praying with your understanding, does this mean we are never to pray with our understanding? Because you know, the apostle says to pray in spirit at all times. Is he really saying, pray without understanding at all times? No. He said he would pray in tongues/in spirit/ without understanding and he would also pray with his understanding.
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You can pray in tongues silently, I do it all the time. I live with others that might think me crazy.
Yes, I know you can speak in tongues silently, without uttering a word. It is very nearly close to how I pray in the spirit - without sound.
Actually Paul said "I will pray with the spirit". The Greek article for "the" is there. Paul is specifically talking about speaking in tongues, not about some nebulous feeling of "praying in spirit".Yes, we know you are convinced of this brother.
But Paul did not say: to pray in the spirit is to speak in tongues.
He said: if I pray in tongues, I am praying in spirit.
They can still speak in tongues to themselves, and to God, in their mind.
You're trying to come up with any reason you can think of not to speak in tongues.
They can speak in tongues in their minds, to themselves and to God.
Where did you get your definition of "praying in the spirit"?
The Bible does encourage us to be "fervent in spirit", but whenever "praying in the spirit" is used, it refers to speaking in tongues.
Can you show me an example of where it doesn't?
oh great. Now my praying in the Spirit is "some nebulous feeling."
you are too much brother! Well, isn't it? Look at how much trouble you had trying to explain it.oh great. Now my praying in the Spirit is "some nebulous feeling."
And if your reply to this is it has to be in tongues, you little stinker, then my questio n to you is: why do you never pray with your understanding??
Eph 6:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
And we know from 1 Cor 14:14-15 that praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues.
I do..And if your reply to this is it has to be in tongues, you little stinker, then my questio n to you is: why do you never pray with your understanding??
Well, isn't it? Look at how much trouble you had trying to explain it.
you expect praying without the understanding to be easy to explain??
What do you mean by "praying without the understanding"?you expect praying without the understanding to be easy to explain??
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not if you pray at all times in spirit and praying in spirit has to be in tongues and praying with tongues is praying without the understanding, you dont.I do..
In fact, according to you, we could replace pray in spirit at all times to: pray in tongues at all times. Hence, at all times you would be praying without your understanding. Capiche? And you're the best too bratty brother.
The bible doesn't encourage anyone to speak in tongues at any moment and praying in the spirit has nothing to do with speaking incomprehensible words, just like worshiping in truth and spirit, praying in the spirit is God communing with God within our minds- means we get understanding and nothing more.
In case you didn't know, spirit is a mind. Praying or worshiping in the spirit means praying or worshiping in the mind.
You have to understand that signs and wonders was crucial for the disciples and apostles and the early church but that promise doesn't apply today because we are in a different time/season.
Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
You can not pick out speaking in tongues out of a very long list and tell us that it is the only one that is applicable to us, when did others cease?
It could very well be that the Spirit gives tongues to people that really need reassurance.... to shore up their faith. We don't know why the Spirit does what he does...
The idea that not all of us have the same ability, or gift, or manifestation is clearly shown in Corinthians. It's not difficult to understand.
1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Context of Corinthians is to describe how the church at Corinth was out of order. Paul was not there in person so he wrote to them to get their house in order.
In every case in Corinth Paul was down playing tongues. Corinthians were over playing tongues to their detriment.
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Roger