Baptism and holy spirit
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maybe if you had the full context of our discussion you would see that. But any rate. EG knows
1 Co 12 is about our needing one another. It's not disqualifying people from higher gifts. Paul concludes this, by saying earnestly desire the higher spiritual gifts. The focus of this is that we understand that is the Lord who is behind it all. People take these Scriptures and say well I don't do it, so God must not have it for me. But these Scriptures are an invitation for us. Not a disqualification. But this must be done from a place of both pursuing love and earnestly desiring gifts.
It's similar to saying, are all mechanics, are all lawyers? No, they are not, but it's merely a focus and a passion. Not that all can't do it. Why would Paul says desire something that God won't give us? He doesn't ever say, well sorry, if you don't have it... suck it up. But that's what some people can take these Scriptures to mean. And they don't. Their focus is there is ONE Lord and many manifestations and gifts of Him.
It is praying in tongues. Read through the ENTIRE chapter. And look at this verse in context. Paul is explaining pursuing love and spiritual gifts. Praying in tongues is through the Spirit. Not through the mind. This is why Paul says he will pray with both his spirit and his mind.
You say, "Paul's spirit is not the Holy Spirit." But that's only half-true.
1 Co 6:17 But the one being joined to the Lord is one spirit.
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NoNameMcgee
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the problem is when people pretend someone is not as far in their walk with Christ simply because they do not have a specific gift
you cannot choose
oh right now i have healing
let me heal my neice of her many disabilities
ive tried
but lets say YOU could heal my neice
that doesnt make you any more a member of the body than i am
im not saying its impossible for God to use me to heal
or for Him to just heal from a distance without the use of any of us brothers and sisters
what im saying is to those who falsely accuse others without the gift you have of being any less "a member of the body"
they are in error
one may not have the wisdom or faith that i have
but maybe they are far more humble and meek and patient
that doesnt mean either of us are less than the other
and that doesnt garuntee they will ever be as wise as me
or i will ever be as patient as them
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NoNameMcgee
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: Disclaimer : Nonamemcgee isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.... this was just an example.
I've read the whole thread and think I do have the context of the discussion. I didn't see any confrontational attitude or self-indulgence in the post you accused him of having or doing those things. But I'll let it drop.
EG,
Before I comment on the quote I think I need to say "Wow! It got 'lively' in here!"
Ok.... Now that that has been stated... I'm not all worked up and have learned that accusations don't get much done...so my comment on the quote is more for clarification.
My current understanding is that you think the spiritual gifts/manifestations are NOT for this time (including speaking in tongues). In other words you believe this is the wrong time for the gifts. Is that correct?
If that is your current belief, it seems logical to suggest you are not "willing" to be used in them during that same 'wrong' time.
Please forgive me if I misunderstood your beliefs about the gifts in this time.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
I'm pretty sure I can say he believes none of what you just said. I've known him for about...5 years, and I'm pretty sure no.
It's just that any time we believe any item to be wrong...we're not likely going to be coveting to have/do it. Some things won't manifest unless we're really going after it. Mark 9:29Quite possible. I sometimes forget who believes what.
If you go back and read, I don't believe he has said he thinks gifts have ceased or that they are wrong. The thrust of his discussion has been that the Holy Spirit will manifest as He wills to manifest and that if He doesn't give to a brother to speak in tongues, then the brother should not be made to feel he is doing something wrong or doesn't desire the things of God, or is unsaved, or is missing out on something and it's his fault, etc.
What some of us have been trying to get people to see is that God does want every Christian to manifest the gift of Holy Spirit that He has given to them. Speaking in tongues is something any Christian can choose to do any time he wants to. The gift of the Holy Spirit is what enables you to do it. Doing it is up to you. It's not something God "uses you" for. I'll go back to what I said early in this thread: Most people do not understand what speaking in tongues is. Most think "well, if God wanted me to do it, He would cause me to do it." It does not work that way. You have the ability through the gift of the Holy Spirit, it's up to each Christian to manifest that gift by doing it. If you're waiting for God to move your mouth, it won't happen.
You are, and have been for quite some time, stating things that go against the essential core of our faith, waggles.
The essential core of our faith, and the gospel, is: repent and believe on Jesus and you will be saved and will receive the Holy Spirit.
You are trying to throw speaking in tongues in there as salvational.
I'm not saying they will kick you out for it. They allow a lot of leeway here, and thank goodness, because if they kicked out everyone who was in some error, everyone would be gone except the crickets, including all of the mods AND roboOp! No one has perfect knowledge.
But you have wandered into the territory of going against the core of our faith and into the territory of preaching another gospel. I would think about it if I were you and tread carefully regarding your continuing avowal that any man who hasn't spoken in tongues is headed for hell and isn't saved.
And what some of us have been trying to get across to you is that we don't believe as you do and think that when the apostle asked: do all speak in tongues? that the answer is: no.
I guess not much more can be said. I have been unable to convince you that God wants all Christians to speak in tongues, and you cannot convince me that He doesn't.
Want to talk about something else?
The apostle speaks of and compares each of us to a different part of the human body.
He asks, is everyone a hand? Can everyone be an eye? (my paraphrase).
Then he uses the same type of questioning when he asks, do all speak in tongues? Do all prophecy?
He is comparing different parts of a human body to different gifts/manifestations.
I do not think it is good to insist everyone must be a tongue.
He asks, is everyone a hand? Can everyone be an eye? (my paraphrase).
Then he uses the same type of questioning when he asks, do all speak in tongues? Do all prophecy?
He is comparing different parts of a human body to different gifts/manifestations.
I do not think it is good to insist everyone must be a tongue.