Not By Works

[benhur]

I am not a Child and we do not need a baby sitter like you to tell us what our personal responsibilities are. We all very well know what our lord expects from us, go peddle your nonsense elsewhere. Arrogance at wholesale.

You resist the concept that good works are necessary in the saving process. As long as you resist and spew OSAS doctrine, I will be there to correct you. Do not despair.

 

[benhur]

Only one way....having the righteousness of Christ imputed to our account by faith without the works/deeds of the law.....

Are we not saved unto good works?

 

[TruthTalk]

I stress good works because you will have nothing to do with good works. But just becaue I believe that good works is a part of salvation does not mean that I am NON-Born Again. I have had the baptism of the HS, just like you, but I believe now that I have been saved unto the good works that Jesus has created for me, and if I do not do those good works it is as if I reject the HS and deny him.

Not good to deny the HS.

The bible says, "Not By Works" lest anyone boast, stop your boasting.

 

[TruthTalk]

You resist the concept that good works are necessary in the saving process. As long as you resist and spew OSAS doctrine, I will be there to correct you. Do not despair.

No such doctrine as OSAS, there is however the doctrine of eternal security, and being saved is not a process; sanctification is. You boast too much about your precious works, stop your boasting.

"The bible says, saved by grace, "Not By Works" lest anyone boast.

 

[benhur]

Putting percentages aside you also preached the wrong Jesus, as you think I do.

That is reality.

So those who disagree with you are in the tiny group and you are not

You must remember it was decon who put the % at 90%, not me.

 

[benhur]

Please give proof of 90% of Christians believe as you do, no proof at all, just believe your word for everything.
This will never happen in an eternity of eternities.

Ask decon for his explanation of 90% teach the wrong Jesus. He is the one that said it, not me.

 

[TruthTalk]

dcontroversal said:
Only one way....having the righteousness of Christ imputed to our account by faith without the works/deeds of the law.....

Are we not saved unto good works?

Continued sanctification which is our "practice or works" in Christ, does not take away from the work of the cross and our eternal salvation. If you add works to what Christ has done for you, you have fallen from grace.
Works are our "practice not our position" in Christ, which is Christ imputed righteousness.

You keep adding your glorious works to your eternal salvation, The bible say's, "Not By Works", lest anyone should boast. Your grace plus works gospel is a counterfeit gospel. Your going the wrong way.

 

[benhur]

"READ THE CONTEXT." .....

OK, what is the context for Matthew 6:14-15?

 

[benhur]

Hi VCO, It upsets me to read some of the misinterpretations of the bible and I believe it does to you to. Some people on this forum have not developed shills of interpretation. Consequently they have made up a Jesus from their own mind/imagination and then try to force feed young Christians to believe their garbage.

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Matthew15:9,14
"They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules."

"Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit."

And your skills allow you to read and interpret correctly? Good luck with that. You pretty much rely on decon and he is the one that said 90% of Christians follow the wrong Jesus. Wow, geesh, wow!!!!!

And talk about boasting!

 

[TruthTalk]

Ask decon for his explanation of 90% teach the wrong Jesus. He is the one that said it, not me.

Okay

 

[benhur]

dcontroversal said:
Only one way....having the righteousness of Christ imputed to our account by faith without the works/deeds of the law.....



Continued sanctification which is our "practice or works" in Christ, does not take away from the work of the cross and our eternal salvation. If you add works to what Christ has done for you, you have fallen from grace.
Works are our "practice not our position" in Christ, which is Christ imputed righteousness.

You keep adding your glorious works to your eternal salvation, The bible say's, "Not By Works", lest anyone should boast. Your grace plus works gospel is a counterfeit gospel. Your going the wrong way.

Is it true then that if you do not the works that you were saved to do, that you will not be sanctified?

 

[benhur]

dcontroversal said:
Only one way....having the righteousness of Christ imputed to our account by faith without the works/deeds of the law.....



Continued sanctification which is our "practice or works" in Christ, does not take away from the work of the cross and our eternal salvation. If you add works to what Christ has done for you, you have fallen from grace.
Works are our "practice not our position" in Christ, which is Christ imputed righteousness.

You keep adding your glorious works to your eternal salvation, The bible say's, "Not By Works", lest anyone should boast. Your grace plus works gospel is a counterfeit gospel. Your going the wrong way.

If you add works to what Christ has done for you, you have fallen from grace? Wow, geesh, wow!!!

Tell what you mean by "works are our 'practice not our position' in Christ?

 

[benhur]

No such doctrine as OSAS, there is however the doctrine of eternal security, and being saved is not a process; sanctification is. You boast too much about your precious works, stop your boasting.

"The bible says, saved by grace, "Not By Works" lest anyone boast.

Eternal Security/OSAS is the same thing. There is probably some kind of negative attributes that have come to haunt the concept of OSAS, so the powers that be, stopped using OSAS and started using ES instead. As far as I am concerned they are the same doctrine.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus has given us the opportunity to repent of our sins. I do repent if and when I feel I have not listened to the HS and sinned. That is the biblical way to stay on the path to eternal life.

Do you even preach the concept of repentence, since your OSAS concept clearly makes repentance irrelevent?

I do not work to earn my salvation, I go to God who is my abbah father (who is not a spirit of fear) and confess my sins to him, Not to continue to be called his son, But because I am his son.

You do realise you are really no different than the men who crucified christ don,t you? You have the same type of performance based salvation that Jesus condemned, and why they crucified him to begin with.

 

[benhur]

No, actually what you're arguing is your version of Jesus. Not the Biblical version of Jesus.

No, actually, everyting I say, I can back up by scripture, so how does that make my verson non-biblical?

 

[TruthTalk]

OK, what is the context for Matthew 6:14-15?

Forgiveness of course; will God forgive all of our sins, yes he will, do we sometime stubbornly refuse to forgive people who have offended us yes of course, forgiveness takes time.

Will God take away our gift of salvation because of lack of forgiveness of course not, Jesus is teaching on the importance of forgiveness, not how to loose your salvation. There is only one unforgivable sin, and it is not un-forgiveness.

You have taken the application of this passage Matthew6:14,15, too far.

 

[benhur]

Not what they think.......it simply means to change your mind and agree with God.....agree that we are sinners and that salvation is by grace through faith...........the whole concept of changing one's mindset........another simple truth blown out of proportion......

Your doctrine of repentance is what I thought it would be. Just change your mind, all is well. Same as believe = eternal life. Simple

It is simple on the first level, but not as simple on the second level and much more difficult on the third level. It is not just easy and simple to receive eternal life.

 

[benhur]

Forgiveness of course; will God forgive all of our sins, yes he will, do we sometime stubbornly refuse to forgive people who have offended us yes of course, forgiveness takes time.

Will God take away our gift of salvation because of lack of forgiveness of course not, Jesus is teaching on the importance of forgiveness, not how to loose your salvation. There is only one unforgivable sin, and it is not un-forgiveness.

You have taken the application of this passage Matthew6:14,15, too far.

Well, I see you are making headway, forgiveness sometime takes time. And your salvation is not interupted for the lack of forgiveness, until you finally will not forgive. When you finally deny the promptings of the HS and refuse to forgive, your sins will finally not be forgiven of you. If you have such a mind as to not forgive, you will not be able to live with God and Jesus. They have forgiven all, you must be able to also, or no seat at their table.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You resist the concept that good works are necessary in the saving process. As long as you resist and spew OSAS doctrine, I will be there to correct you. Do not despair.

you resist the idea that we are saved not of works, but of grace through faith. and by works, no man will be saved.

You somehow think when you go to God God is going to look at you and say, wow, you really straightened up. forget all those sins you have committed, you did so many great works, I will let you in. You have earned it.

the sad part. God will not say that.. now will he allow you or anyone else in based on how good you are. or how many works you did.

 

[benhur]

I do not work to earn my salvation, I go to God who is my abbah father (who is not a spirit of fear) and confess my sins to him, Not to continue to be called his son, But because I am his son.

You do realise you are really no different than the men who crucified christ don,t you? You have the same type of performance based salvation that Jesus condemned, and why they crucified him to begin with.

I do not work to earn my salvation, I could not possibly do enough good works to earn salvation. But what I do is I try to listen to the promptings of the HS and do the works that I was saved unto to do. Do you not do the same? That is all I am talking about.