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justpassinthrough

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NoNameMcgee said:
oh it's the truth

your silly conclusion falsely condemns any brother or sister who is unable to speak with their mouth

shame on you
John 11:26

“And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
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The scriptures are clear to those who choose to see.[/QUOTE]

you seem to give much glory to the choices of men

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all glory to God

His sheep hear His voice[/QUOTE]


You err, not knowing the scriptures.


Just answer the simple question.


“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ Luke 16:24


Did the rich man speak these words, without a physical body?



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NoNameMcgee said:
that is not the verse i was quoting lol

but
to answer your question

1 John 2:19
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.



hebrews 10
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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You do not seem to have understood my question. You quoted Jesus who said "those who believe in him will never die."

I asked what happens to those who stop believing, and reminded you that Jesus told us, those who look back, i.e. take their eyes off Jesus after first believing are not fit for the Kingdom of God.

You yourself confirm we can loose our salvation when you quoted Hebrews 10:38 that says, "if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him."

Proof, if proof were needed that even though we once were saved we are not always saved. This from Jesus himself and the writer of Hebrews.
 
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justpassinthrough

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eternally-gratefull said:
So if people do this they are saved forever, kept by the power of god with no chance of losing salvation? He who begun that work will continue etc etc?
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Now, we are justified and saved by faith in Christ Jesus.


Do you have faith in Christ for salvation?



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justpassinthrough

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eternally-gratefull said:
That is prety sad, when you accuse people of thinking it is ok to think the gospel, then live in sin, you should be ashamed,
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Please show me the post where I said people can think the Gospel and it's ok to live in sin?


Please stop making up things I did not say.



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eternally-gratefull

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justpassinthrough said:
Now, we are justified and saved by faith in Christ Jesus.


Do you have faith in Christ for salvation?



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Can you answer my question?

If in faith, I call out to God, am I saved forever, or do I have to maintain my salvation?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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justpassinthrough said:
You err, not knowing the scriptures.
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your opinion is ignored

given you believe a false gospel

you ignore the constant reproof you get for the doctrine of men you push

you ask pointless questions and take verses out of context when they are answered in a way that doesnt suit your silly word games


you have yet to stump anyone here who knows the truth

we just occasionally get fed up with the nonsense and go on to some more fruitful works before we come back and see if God provided any growth in the seeds of truth planted in you from His many children
 
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justpassinthrough

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NoNameMcgee said:
oh it's the truth

your silly conclusion falsely condemns any brother or sister who is unable to speak with their mouth

shame on you
John 11:26

“And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”



you seem to give much glory to the choices of men

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all glory to God

His sheep hear His voice
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A person must make the choice to obey the Gospel.


It's that simple.



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eternally-gratefull

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justpassinthrough said:
Please show me the post where I said people can think the Gospel and it's ok to live in sin?


Please stop making up things I did not say.



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your the one who posted a passage in response to a brother of mine about living in sin

Why would you post it unless you thought he believed it.
 
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justpassinthrough

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your opinion is ignored

given you believe a false gospel

you ignore the constant reproof you get for the doctrine of men you push

you ask pointless questions and take verses out of context when they are answered in a way that doesnt suit your silly word games


you have yet to stump anyone here who knows the truth

we just occasionally get fed up with the nonsense and go on to some more fruitful works before we come back and see if God provided any growth in the seeds of truth planted in you from His many children
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The truth is He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.




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eternally-gratefull

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justpassinthrough said:
A person must make the choice to obey the Gospel.


It's that simple.



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yes, and what is Gods will, and how do we obey?

John 6:
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”


To obey the gospel is to come to God in faith, and recieve his gift of salvation
 
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eternally-gratefull

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justpassinthrough said:
The truth is He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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see there you go accusing again.

As long as you continue to accuse the brethren of these lies. How can you expect people to give you any respect?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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justpassinthrough said:
Go ahead and provide the post where I said your brother is living in sin.



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How about you explain why you posted the verse in the first place?

justpassinthrough said:
Your opinion is noted.


The scriptures are clear to those who choose to see.


4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4




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and by the way, You still have not answered my question.
 
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justpassinthrough

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eternally-gratefull said:
yes, and what is Gods will, and how do we obey?

John 6:
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”


To obey the gospel is to come to God in faith, and recieve his gift of salvation
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To obey the Gospel is to repent.

Repent is to turn to God.


If you are called to repent, turn to God, then by default you are called to turn away from Satan, as your lord.


  • to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,

15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:15-18




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justpassinthrough said:
  • those who are unable to speak (moot) lost in their sins
Those are your words, not mine.

You err, not knowing the scriptures.

“Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ Luke 16:24

Did the rich man speak these words, without a physical body?

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You previously said that a verbal confession is necessary for salvation and we are not saved until we make that verbal confession, So that would be the implication for someone who was unable to speak. Now I see that you are back peddling. The word of faith is in our mouth and in our heart a TOGETHER (Romans 10:8) whether we are unable to speak or not and that is the point.
 
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justpassinthrough

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eternally-gratefull said:
see there you go accusing again.

As long as you continue to accuse the brethren of these lies. How can you expect people to give you any respect?
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He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
 
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justpassinthrough

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mailmandan said:
You previously said that a verbal confession is necessary for salvation and we are not saved until we make that verbal confession, So that would be the implication for someone who was unable to speak. Now I see that you are back peddling. The word of faith is in our mouth and in our heart a TOGETHER (Romans 10:8) whether we are unable to speak or not and that is the point.
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I said what the scripture says, - with the mouth confession is made unto salvation

10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:10


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justpassinthrough

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mailmandan said:
You previously said that a verbal confession is necessary for salvation and we are not saved until we make that verbal confession, So that would be the implication for someone who was unable to speak. Now I see that you are back peddling. The word of faith is in our mouth and in our heart a TOGETHER (Romans 10:8) whether we are unable to speak or not and that is the point.
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To obey the Gospel is to repent.

Repent is to turn to God.


If you are called to repent, turn to God, then by default you are called to turn away from Satan, as your lord.


  • to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,

15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:15-18




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eternally-gratefull

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justpassinthrough said:
To obey the Gospel is to repent.

Repent is to turn to God.


If you are called to repent, turn to God, then by default you are called to turn away from Satan, as your lord.


  • to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,

15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ Acts 26:15-18




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You will not come to faith unless you repent, If you have not repented, you will be like those on John 6 who jesus said they could not see because they did not believe.

It is still not a work, It is the work of God we believe in the one he sent (john 6)
 
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justpassinthrough said:
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
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So who are you accusing?

We all agree with this verse? Why do you people think you can just come in here and throw verses around and think people are not going to confront you as to why you posting a verse?

You evidently think people in here disagree with this verse or you would never have posted it.

Now are you going to answer my question or not.

If I in faith call out to God as romans 10 states, and I saved forever or not?
 
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