The Antichrist

[Ahwatukee]

t....,
The Comforter...Holy Spirit...is the restrainer.

The Bible tells us.......He who lets will let until he be taken away... That occurs in the middle of the week (7 years), not at the rapture.

As I understand scripture...the 144,000 will be marked and secured before The Comforter is removed. That makes sense because when He is removed all power possessed by the anti-Christ is applied without restriction including the mark of the beast...666.,... and it's ramifications.

The Bible tells us.......He who lets will let until he be taken away... That occurs in the middle of the week (7 years), not at the rapture.

If the above was true, i.e. that the restrainer is not taken out of the way until the middle of the seven years, then it would mean that the church would be exposed to God's wrath, which begins at the on-set of the seven years. The restrainer being taken out of the way, is when the church will be removed.

Where are you getting your information that the restrainer is not removed until the middle of the seven years? Please show us that scripture(s).

 

[preston39]

If the above was true, i.e. that the restrainer is not taken out of the way until the middle of the seven years, then it would mean that the church would be exposed to God's wrath, which begins at the on-set of the seven years. The restrainer being taken out of the way, is when the church will be removed.

Where are you getting your information that the restrainer is not removed until the middle of the seven years? Please show us that scripture(s).

A.....,
I don't understand your conclusion;
The rapture of the Church and the removal of the Holy Spirit is at different times. Why are you connecting them?
When the church is removed at the rapture The Holy Spirit is here for 3 1/2 years more until the temple is desecrated by the anti-Christ.

Let me see your reference of scripture which is opposed to the above. Mine is waiting.

 

[CS1]

According to John 2:18 do you think the Antichrist could be on the earth right now?

we can narrow it down to a liberial progressive Democrat leader

 

[Ahwatukee]

A.....,
I don't understand your conclusion;
The rapture of the Church and the removal of the Holy Spirit is at different times. Why are you connecting them?
When the church is removed at the rapture The Holy Spirit is here for 3 1/2 years more until the temple is desecrated by the anti-Christ.

Let me see your reference of scripture which is opposed to the above. Mine is waiting.

The rapture of the Church and the removal of the Holy Spirit is at different times. Why are you connecting them?

Hello again preston39,

I would ask you a similar question: Why are you separating the two events?

Where are you getting your information that the gathering of the church and the Restrainer being taken out of the way as being two separate events? The Holy Spirit, through His presence in believers, is restraining the full force of sin and the man of sin from being revealed. When the Restrainer is taken out of the way, so then are believers whom the Spirit dwells in.

The Holy Spirit is here for 3 1/2 years more until the temple is desecrated by the anti-Christ.

There is no scripture to support that the Holy Spirit remains here for 3 1/2 years after the church has been removed. In any case, it is only believers within the church that the Spirit indwells. Once the church is gone, the Spirit will not be indwelling anyone. During that time the Spirit will most likely work in the capacity prior to Pentecost.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

Here is another great bit of information by Mr. Hunt

https://raptureforums.com/forums/threads/christ-and-antichrist.136650/

 

[Bladerunner]

It matters not where they come from but more what they do.... usurping the authority of God as it is written and give it to men seen therefore also violating the first commandment.. not to have false gods before him '

Peter the Serial denier is shown acting as a antichrist blaspheming the holy name by which we are called . Because it was the Son of man, Jesus as that seen that blaspheming was forgiven. To blaspheme against the Holy Spirit not seen is not forgivable

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mathew 16:22-24

"It matters not where they come from but more what they do..."

In Micah 5:5 "And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. "

The antichrist will be of assyrian ancestry. Rem, NIMROD! the first Emperor of the World and the Anti-Christ will be the last.

Blade

 

[Nehemiah6]

Where are you getting your information that the gathering of the church and the Restrainer being taken out of the way as being two separate events? The Holy Spirit, through His presence in believers, is restraining the full force of sin and the man of sin from being revealed. When the Restrainer is taken out of the way, so then are believers whom the Spirit dwells in.

This is correct and scriptural. Only God the Holy Spirit can be the Restrainer of Satan. As long as the Gospel is being preached and souls are being saved, Satan is not allowed to unleash all the powers of darkness. But at the time of the Rapture, both the Church and the Spirit will be taken out of the way. This is one of the most powerful reasons for a Pre-Tribulation Rapture, since the Tribulation is connected with the reign of the Antichrist.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The antichrist will be of assyrian ancestry.

That may well be the case. Since Assyria is long gone, we are talking about someone from Iraq. But at the same time he cannot be a Gentile. He must be a renegade Jew who claims to be their long-awaited Messiah. If a Muslim pretended to be the Messiah, he would be rejected out of hand.

 

[garee]

"It matters not where they come from but more what they do..."

In Micah 5:5 "And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. "

The antichrist will be of assyrian ancestry. Rem, NIMROD! the first Emperor of the World and the Anti-Christ will be the last.

Blade

 

[garee]

"It matters not where they come from but more what they do..."

In Micah 5:5 "And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. "

The antichrist will be of assyrian ancestry. Rem, NIMROD! the first Emperor of the World and the Anti-Christ will be the last.

Blade

Yes, the Assyrian nation is one of the nations the antichrists (those who say we need a man to teach us) can be found. They will come from all the nations of the world. As those not of us. They walk not by the faith of Christ but rather after the oral traditions of men. like that of Nicolaitans who followed after the things seen, Nicole. They left their first love hearing God (the hearing of faith)as He gives us His faith to believe Him not seen.

 

[shrume]

Yes, the Assyrian nation is one of the nations the antichrists (those who say we need a man to teach us) can be found. They will come from all the nations of the world. As those not of us. They walk not by the faith of Christ but rather after the oral traditions of men. like that of Nicolaitans who followed after the things seen, Nicole. They left their first love hearing God (the hearing of faith)as He gives us His faith to believe Him not seen.

Why did God place teachers in the body of Christ?

Eph 4:
11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Was the Ethiopian Eunuch an antichrist? Was Philip wrong to explain things to him?

Acts 8:
30) And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31) And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

"It matters not where they come from but more what they do..."

In Micah 5:5 "And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. "

The antichrist will be of assyrian ancestry. Rem, NIMROD! the first Emperor of the World and the Anti-Christ will be the last.

Blade

This is interesting. Since Assyria doesn't exist anymore what countries are to the north of Israel?

 

[garee]

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Why did God place teachers in the body of Christ?

Eph 4:
11) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Was the Ethiopian Eunuch an antichrist? Was Philip wrong to explain things to him?

Acts 8:
30) And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31) And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

I would suggest that just as he informs us in Mathew 23 we are to call no man father of earth, the same applies to infallible teachers as masters .No man can serve two teaching authorities .One is our father as our one infallible teacher/master

So as to what we can teach, we do not to deny the father not seen alone is our infallible teacher comfort and guide. From what I understand we are to teach others "how" we can hear God not seen according his prescribed way that He lovingly commands us... to study in order to seek His approval. No suggestions about seeking the approval of men

If we were to call men Master/ Rabbi in that way then we could say God is a man as us and there is a daysman as a fleshly umpire that stands between God and man. Like that of the Pope . But even the Son of man, Jesus as that seen when called good Master replied only God not seen is good. Again, we teach men how we can hear God... he does the work of saving them and giving us His approval

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any "daysman" betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.Job 9

The Holy Spirit obviously moved Philip to bring the gospel to the Ethiopian, possibly the two spoke in tongues, other languages so that they could understand the different languages that could have separated them... not sure if the gift applied to reading other languages for that temporal time period .

Philip preached Jesus not his own self as if what was given to him was not freely given from God. Then he would have cause to boast as does the Pope

If the Ethiopian did seek the approval of Phillip rather than God who gives the gospel his understanding it would qualify him as a anti christ.

 

[shrume]

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I would suggest that just as he informs us in Mathew 23 we are to call no man father of earth, the same applies to infallible teachers as masters .No man can serve two teaching authorities .One is our father as our one infallible teacher/master

So as to what we can teach, we do not to deny the father not seen alone is our infallible teacher comfort and guide. From what I understand we are to teach others "how" we can hear God not seen according his prescribed way that He lovingly commands us... to study in order to seek His approval. No suggestions about seeking the approval of men

If we were to call men Master/ Rabbi in that way then we could say God is a man as us and there is a daysman as a fleshly umpire that stands between God and man. Like that of the Pope . But even the Son of man, Jesus as that seen when called good Master replied only God not seen is good. Again, we teach men how we can hear God... he does the work of saving them and giving us His approval

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any "daysman" betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.Job 9

The Holy Spirit obviously moved Philip to bring the gospel to the Ethiopian, possibly the two spoke in tongues, other languages so that they could understand the different languages that could have separated them... not sure if the gift applied to reading other languages for that temporal time period .

Philip preached Jesus not his own self as if what was given to him was not freely given from God. Then he would have cause to boast as does the Pope

If the Ethiopian did seek the approval of Phillip rather than God who gives the gospel his understanding it would qualify him as a anti christ.

You went off on a tangent, garee. I did not say anything about seeking the approval of men.

You made the statement "Yes, the Assyrian nation is one of the nations the antichrists (those who say we need a man to teach us) can be found. " You equated antichrists with "those who say we need a man to teach us".

There is nothing wrong with seeking out men to teach us. People need to be taught. God placed teachers in the body of Christ for a reason.

...or maybe I just don't understand what you're meaning to say.

 

[garee]

You went off on a tangent, garee. I did not say anything about seeking the approval of men.

You made the statement "Yes, the Assyrian nation is one of the nations the antichrists (those who say we need a man to teach us) can be found. " You equated antichrists with "those who say we need a man to teach us".

There is nothing wrong with seeking out men to teach us. People need to be taught. God placed teachers in the body of Christ for a reason.

...or maybe I just don't understand what you're meaning to say.

Those who say we need a man to teach us are the antichrists . He informs us as it, that which represents the faith Of God, as it teaches us we abide in Him... the one and only promised teacher, comforter and guide. It is he who works in us that brings to mind the things he has taught us .He will not share that authority with the things of men, but rather it offends Him

Yes, God placed teachers in the body of Christ to learn how to hear Him aright so that they too could seek His approval not seen, and not that of sinful men, as that seen

 

[shrume]

Those who say we need a man to teach us are the antichrists . He informs us as it, that which represents the faith Of God, as it teaches us we abide in Him... the one and only promised teacher, comforter and guide. It is he who works in us that brings to mind the things he has taught us .He will not share that authority with the things of men, but rather it offends Him

Yes, God placed teachers in the body of Christ to learn how to hear Him aright so that they too could seek His approval not seen, and not that of sinful men, as that seen

I'd like to believe that what you're saying makes sense to you.

God placed teachers in the body of Christ to teach people.

Carry on.

 

[Bladerunner]

That may well be the case. Since Assyria is long gone, we are talking about someone from Iraq. But at the same time he cannot be a Gentile. He must be a renegade Jew who claims to be their long-awaited Messiah. If a Muslim pretended to be the Messiah, he would be rejected out of hand.

Not so, maybe!..

The Antichrist will confirm (enforce) a covenant with Israel. This covenant will be an agreement in order to rebuild the third temple, thus allowing the Messiah to come back and rid them of the scourge that sits on their borders. The Anti-christ will be at least of Assyrian descent.

This is interesting. Since Assyria doesn't exist anymore what countries are to the north of Israel?

The time of the Assyrian, included syria, turkey, a large part of Iraq and Persia (Iran) and a few other countries not mentioned. NIMROD was the First emperor of the World and this Antichrist will be the Last.
Blade

 

[Avillianna]

According to John 2:18 do you think the Antichrist could be on the earth right now?

In my opinion, just as the Holy Spirit is present on earth....it makes sense that the spirit of the Antichrist (which is Satan himself, really) is also present on this earth. They are constantly waging war over our hearts. I'm not too sure how I can explain it any other way; but, this is what I believe. Spiritual warfare is a real thing...spiritual warfare is why our walk with God can sometimes be very hard. To me it makes sense anyway...

 

[Bladerunner]

This is interesting. Since Assyria doesn't exist anymore what countries are to the north of Israel?

All of assyria was north Israel... It included most of turkey, syria, part of Iraq, part of Iran (Persia), a few other smaller countries. Think of NIMROD the world's first Emperor and Antichrist as the World's Last Emperor.

Blade

 

[ComeLordJesus]

All of assyria was north Israel... It included most of turkey, syria, part of Iraq, part of Iran (Persia), a few other smaller countries. Think of NIMROD the world's first Emperor and Antichrist as the World's Last Emperor.

Blade

Will Antichrist have to be from that nationality? Can't he just be a type of Assyrian?