Oh goody another OSAS thread!

[eternally-gratefull]

Exactly.

Example:


And suddenly, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment. For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.” But Jesus turned around, and when He saw her He said, “Be of good cheer, daughter; your faith has made you well.” And the woman was made well from that hour. Matthew 9:20-22


Key: For she said to herself, “If only I may touch His garment, I shall be made well.”


God spoke to this woman's heart, to reveal to her, how to be healed, in which she now has faith from God speaking to her.

• a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came from behind and touched the hem of His garment.

When she obeyed and touched the hem of His garment, she was healed.



Here obedience activated the faith she had when God spoke to her, and produced the intended divine result.


If she had stayed where she was, and didn't obey to touch the hem of His garment, her faith would have remained dormant or dead, and unable to produce the intended result of healing.




JPT

Your talking about an act, I have to make faith decisions every day, Those decisions do not give or earn me eternal life

I am talking about the gospel of christ, DO you believe we are saved by faith alone in the work of Christ alone or else.

Your argument is flawed. because it had nothing to do with her eternal life.

Why do you partially quote posts? Post theo whole quote and answer it, or prove you have ulterior motives and have no desire to discuss, You did not answer my question.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

He's not a door mat either. Those who think the new birth will save them while walking contrary to his will are in for a big surprise - "Why do you call me lord, yet you don't do what I tell you to do?"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He's not a door mat either. Those who think the new birth will save them while walking contrary to his will are in for a big surprise - "Why do you call me lord, yet you don't do what I tell you to do?"

he who sins has never seen god or known him.

Not sure why you keep railing against a people who have never known Christ in order to refute eternal life. and eternal salvation.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

He's not a door mat either. Those who think the new birth will save them while walking contrary to his will are in for a big surprise - "Why do you call me lord, yet you don't do what I tell you to do?"

He is not a liar either


He will not lose one of His

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He is not a liar either


He will not lose one of His

I am constantly amazed at people who will preach a promise of God, and ignore other promises of God.

We either take all of the truth, or non of truth, because half truth is no truth at all.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

He is not a liar either

He will not lose one of His

Those who don't obey him, he will disown. He's not a liar about that.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Those who don't obey him, he will disown. He's not a liar about that.

care to show me where an adopted son/daughter of God gets thrown into the lake of fire?


where He casts out one He promises to in no wise cast out?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those who don't obey him, he will disown. He's not a liar about that.

You better be perfect then, Because whoever is not perfect, has disobeyed God, and according to you, they will be disowned.

I think jesus said it best, let he who has no sin cast the first stone.. You sure love to cast stones, when you yourself are just as guilty, I pray one day you see this.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

You better be perfect then, Because whoever is not perfect, has disobeyed God, and according to you, they will be disowned.

I think jesus said it best, let he who has no sin cast the first stone.. You sure love to cast stones, when you yourself are just as guilty, I pray one day you see this.

im fully expecting to see a verse addressed to a servant and not yet an adopted child (not born again)

then no matter how true my response it

it will be replied to with word games that deny the gospel

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When will they stop resisting and preaching against the grace and mercy of our savior?

 

[ljs]

They wont EG , cause they are relying on themselves , they say they believe the Gospel , but I guess they really dont !!
they dont think what Jesus did for them was enough , they gotta add their obedience , works , etc on to it , so sad

 

[NoNameMcgee]

welp....
no one knows the day or the hour

but im hoping it is soon honestly

i cant wait to be with my Father


(but i mean when it will stop in general... not speaking of individuals)

 

[joefizz]

The only way the principle of faith works, is by obedience.


Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:21

• Was not Abraham our father justified by works

Not the works of the law of Moses
Not the work that earns a wage
Not good works


The work of obedience.


Abraham obeyed God when He told him to offer Issac on the altar.


Abraham demonstrated faith working by love, by His obedience and was justified by faith: By the obedience of faith.


Maybe you believe that by “disobedience” is how we are justified, which means to be declared as righteous.


That is how faith functions, by the corresponding action of obedience to what God says to us..


Faith comes to us by hearing God speak to us.

When we obey what Gos says, then faith becomes “activated” of alive, and able to produce the intended divine result.

Faith without this corresponding act of obedience is dead, and does not function, like a body without a spirit is dead, and does not function.


For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26


Now maybe you could answer this simple question.


But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26

• God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith.

Who has made known to all nations for the obedience of faith?

1. God?
2. Paul?
3. JPT?

JPT

A few problems.....
1.Abraham isn't "our" father he was "Jewish" we are "Gentile".
2."Humbleness" is "greater" than mere "obedience",Jesus-(calling a child to him)"Lest you be converted as children and humble yourselves as this child you shall no wise enter the kingdom of God,such are the greatest in heaven".
I don't know about "you" but I'd rather "endure" to be "humble"(be honest with God/Jesus,people,and myself without hiding behind works for comfort) rather than "lie" to myself believing that works that I do are some "great thing" when "they aren't",works may justify faith but without "humbleness" they are just "chores" done by "unruly" children trying to get what they want.

 

[joefizz]

Your talking about an act, I have to make faith decisions every day, Those decisions do not give or earn me eternal life

I am talking about the gospel of christ, DO you believe we are saved by faith alone in the work of Christ alone or else.

Your argument is flawed. because it had nothing to do with her eternal life.

Why do you partially quote posts? Post theo whole quote and answer it, or prove you have ulterior motives and have no desire to discuss, You did not answer my question.

The better question is "can such people" for once "face their sins","look themselves in the eye" or do they need "works" for comfort" instead of the "comforter" the Holy spirit?

 

[joefizz]

They wont EG , cause they are relying on themselves , they say they believe the Gospel , but I guess they really dont !!
they dont think what Jesus did for them was enough , they gotta add their obedience , works , etc on to it , so sad

The trouble is they "believe" certain "portions" of the gospel just as other denominations and doctrines that are brought to "ruin" and "confounding" because they can't "handle",the "full truth" because in order to do so they'd have to "accept" their faults and sins,obviously "pride" keeps them from doing so just as satan not even once will ever accept his sins.

 

[preston39]

He's not a door mat either. Those who think the new birth will save them while walking contrary to his will are in for a big surprise - "Why do you call me lord, yet you don't do what I tell you to do?"

H....,

The OSAS thinking has only been around the Christian community since....oh...the 60's. It evolved and was /is part of the new age religion thinking.
I have researched and challenge anyone to provide me information of the concept in teachings and/or writings of significance PRIOR to that era. I may have missed it and want to be complete before writing a paper on the subject.

It makes no sense at all and does nothing but degrade the specific purpose and intent of G-d's work.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I have researched and challenge anyone to provide me information of the concept in teachings and/or writings of significance PRIOR to that era. I may have missed it and want to be complete before writing a paper on the subject.

The most egregious forms of OSAS are not new. They've been around from the beginning, e.g. gnosticism. Sandemanian antinomianism goes back to the 18th century, I believe. There are others.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They wont EG , cause they are relying on themselves , they say they believe the Gospel , but I guess they really dont !!
they dont think what Jesus did for them was enough , they gotta add their obedience , works , etc on to it , so sad

the sad part is they can not see this truth, Just like the pharisees could not see this truth. Lets just pray unlike many pharisees (some like saul repented) they repent also.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The most egregious forms of OSAS are not new. They've been around from the beginning, e.g. gnosticism. Sandemanian antinomianism goes back to the 18th century, I believe. There are others.

Legalism started with Cain.

So you have your own history.

Just because groups like gnostics twisted the grace of God to excuse their sin, does not mean the grace of God is without effect.

It saved completely those who entrust themselves to it.

 

[valiant]

The Scriptures are quite clear:

'All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent

Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)



But you do not believe (My Father's works) because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and none shall pluck them from My hand. My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one IS ABLE to pluck them out of the Father's hand. I and my Father are one (John 10.27-30).



All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being accounted as righteous by His grace FREELY through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith by His blood (Rom 3.23-25).

'Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come behind in no gift, waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,who will also confirm you unto the end, that you might be unreproveable in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinth 1.6-8). (and this the corinthian church!)

'By grace you are saved, through faith, and that (gracious act) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of doings, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them' (Eph 2.8-10).

'Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ' (Phil 2.6).



'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).



I am not ashamed, for I know Him Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that Day (2 Tim 1.12).



But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).



Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His Counsel, interposed with an oath, that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie we may have a strong encouragement who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us, which we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and entering into that within the veil, whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek (Heb 7.7-20).



Wherefore He is able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lives to make intercession for them (Heb 7.25).



He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified (Heb 10.14)



And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world (Rev 17.8).

Next question please!