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AngelFrog

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dcontroversal said:
Read it again s l o w l y I did not call you blasphemous, but rather to say Christ was not born the son of God until immersion....
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That's ridiculous!
Emmanuel was born the son of God when he was conceived as the son of God in Mary and by Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Emmanuel after immersion to show those who looked on the meaning of the teaching Emmanuel would give them concerning being born of spirit and water.
Emmanuel, "God with us", Jesus, taught in parables , as he said, so that not all would understand. You have not one legitimate scripture that can support your contention.

Emmanuel/Jesus was referred to extensively even in the old testament.
(Psalm 2:7) Tehillim 2:7 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
7 I will declare the chok (decree): Hashem hath said unto me, Thou art Beni (My Son, i.e. Ben HaElohim Moshiach); HaYom (today) I have begotten thee.


Malachi 3:6 Amplified Bible (AMP)
6 “For I am the Lord, I do not change [but remain faithful to My covenant with you]; that is why you, O sons of Jacob, have not come to an end.

Hebrews 13:8 Amplified Bible (AMP)
8 Jesus Christ is [eternally changeless, always] the same yesterday and today and forever.
 
SovereignGrace

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AngelFrog said:
That's ridiculous!
Emmanuel was born the son of God when he was conceived as the son of God in Mary and by Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Emmanuel after immersion to show those who looked on the meaning of the teaching Emmanuel would give them concerning being born of spirit and water.
Emmanuel, "God with us", Jesus, taught in parables , as he said, so that not all would understand. You have not one legitimate scripture that can support your contention.

Emmanuel/Jesus was referred to extensively even in the old testament.
(Psalm 2:7) Tehillim 2:7 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
7 I will declare the chok (decree): Hashem hath said unto me, Thou art Beni (My Son, i.e. Ben HaElohim Moshiach); HaYom (today) I have begotten thee.


Malachi 3:6 Amplified Bible (AMP)
6 “For I am the Lord, I do not change [but remain faithful to My covenant with you]; that is why you, O sons of Jacob, have not come to an end.

Hebrews 13:8 Amplified Bible (AMP)
8 Jesus Christ is [eternally changeless, always] the same yesterday and today and forever.
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The Christ was born the Son of man by Mary after she was visited by the Holy Spirit. He has eternally been the Son of God, the second Person in the Godhead. He was not born the Son of God via Mary. He was already the Son of God, from eternity past. He was born the Son of man by Mary. Huge distinction there. I hope this helps.
 
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AngelFrog

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SovereignGrace said:
The Christ was born the Son of man by Mary after she was visited by the Holy Spirit. He has eternally been the Son of God, the second God in the Godhead. He was not born the Son of God via Mary. He was already the Son of God, from eternity past. He was born the Son of man by Mary. Huge distinction there. I hope this helps.
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Yes. that helps reiterate my point. Thank you. :)
 
AngelFrog

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dcontroversal

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AngelFrog said:
That's ridiculous!
Emmanuel was born the son of God when he was conceived as the son of God in Mary and by Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit descended upon Emmanuel after immersion to show those who looked on the meaning of the teaching Emmanuel would give them concerning being born of spirit and water.
Emmanuel, "God with us", Jesus, taught in parables , as he said, so that not all would understand. You have not one legitimate scripture that can support your contention.

Emmanuel/Jesus was referred to extensively even in the old testament.
(Psalm 2:7) Tehillim 2:7 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
7 I will declare the chok (decree): Hashem hath said unto me, Thou art Beni (My Son, i.e. Ben HaElohim Moshiach); HaYom (today) I have begotten thee.


Malachi 3:6 Amplified Bible (AMP)
6 “For I am the Lord, I do not change [but remain faithful to My covenant with you]; that is why you, O sons of Jacob, have not come to an end.

Hebrews 13:8 Amplified Bible (AMP)
8 Jesus Christ is [eternally changeless, always] the same yesterday and today and forever.
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You do understand that what I was calling blasphemous was his view that Jesus was not born the Son of God until his immersion right?
 
SovereignGrace

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AngelFrog said:
No, that's scripture. John 1:49

This article with scriptures may help you.
2. The Birth Of Jesus (Matthew 1:18-25)
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No my Sister. The Son of God addresses His eternality of being God the Son, the second person(I erroneously said second God, there’s one God, three Persons in the Godhead). Jesus was born the Son of man, which addresses His humanness. He became the Son of man by Mary birthing Him, He was not born the Son of God.
 
SovereignGrace

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AngelFrog said:
No, that's scripture. John 1:49

This article with scriptures may help you.
2. The Birth Of Jesus (Matthew 1:18-25)
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The Christ is both the Son of God and the Son of man. But He was not born the Son of God by Mary. He was/is the Son of God when He uttered, “Let there be Light.” He was born the Son of man by Mary. There’s a huge distinction that you’re not grasping here.
 
AngelFrog

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SovereignGrace said:
No my Sister. The Son of God addresses His eternality of being God the Son, the second person(I erroneously said second God, there’s one God, three Persons in the Godhead). Jesus was born the Son of man, which addresses His humanness. He became the Son of man by Mary birthing Him, He was not born the Son of God.
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We'll agree to disagree here. There is no three separate and distinct persons in Christianity. That false teaching arrived in the faith around 4th century and is man made and derived from Pagan Roman theology.
There is one sacred and holy spirit that begat upon Mary himself so as to then be the son of God, and appear on earth as the son of (a) man, since we are told in the old testament that no one can look upon God and live. For the new covenant to come to the people God sent himself to appear as the son of a man and deliver his new covenant unto humankind.
Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. "
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

"In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the expiation for our sins" (I John 4:10)
"For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him" (John 3:17)

And of course what most every Christian knows : John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoseover believeth in him shall not perish but have immortal life.
 
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