We are still required to be circumcised of the heart (Mind) as God told us in the OT, and reminded us again through Paul.
Are there any God ordained feasts I can partake in?
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We are still required to be circumcised of the heart (Mind) as God told us in the OT, and reminded us again through Paul.
I know almost nothing about modern Hebrew. I can look on a map of Israel, and read the names, because the letters are the same as Masoretic Hebrew.
I have studied Masoretic Hebrew, although I will not call myself an expert in it. I have read a number of books of the OT in it, when I was in seminary. But, you must remember that the vowel pointings were added by the Masorets in the 8-10th century AD. Because the Jews were losing their language. The vowel pointings are additions to help with pronunciation and grammar, and they are designed to not change the original consonants. So, that way the integrity of the older manuscripts is not impinged on.
So, a knowledge of modern Hebrew has very little to do with Biblical Hebrew, except, of course, there are some similarities.
Hebrew is a language which has very black and white thinking, and it is mostly a verbal system. It is a near east language, and very little connection linguistically to western languages. However, that gives it no special or spiritual properties. That is myth and propaganda from the Hebrew Roots Movement.
So, I am talking about Biblical Hebrew, not modern Hebrew. So, that dodge is not going to work with me.
Thanks so much for sharing your information.
I resent, very much, your calling what I have studied and searched so hard to learn a "dodge". What you are sharing is the result of information you have gathered, and what I share is also information I have gathered. We both try to be sure that the source of that information is from fact, we check the source. I don't put down your information by calling it a dodge, I request the same courtesy from you.
So you believe you have to obey the instructions God gave his people Israel. F.e. in Leviticus 23?
I believe that we should listen to what scripture tells us, and we should study to know what it says. If scripture tells us that God wants us to obey something for all generations, then I believe what it says no matter if God tells us that in Genesis or Romans or any other place in scripture.
What about the ones that haven't come to pass (since they are a shadow)? So far people, if I remember correctly, have stated that three feasts still haven't come to pass. This then wouldn't be an equivalent to circumcision, since the antitype hasn't happened.
I am not saying we are obligated to celebrate these feasts, but I am asking, if there are any to celebrate. So far three have been suggested.
Hey Angela, do you mind chiming in about celebrating feasts? Also, I would really like to hear your perspective on the Hebrew Roots Movement.
What I say is in scripture, so if you think it is imagination it means that you have not studied scripture.
What disturbs me in several threads I've participated in recently is there are posts proclaiming the absolutes of scripture, & then there are those who will chime in, saying "yeah, but I think"......, or "I know what I'm talking about"..........., always striving against the absolutes of God's word for the sake of variance, always wanting the last word.
Stubbornness & haughtiness are sin, period.
Stubbornness & haughtiness are sin, period.
So you Obey what God instructet in Leviticus and the male Members of your Family are circumsiced? You are free to do so. But Please dont suggest others to do so. If you dont See a different between the Volk of Israel and Christians Please Read Acts Chapter 15. If you consider it as Word of God.
There are no feasts to celebrate in the New Testament or for the Church.
They were given to Israel under the Law of Moses.
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. (Leviticus 23:1-4)
Now you have three options:
1. Pretend you are an Israelite and go strictly by the Law of Moses. WHICH MEANS YOU WILL NOT BE EXEMPT FROM ANYTHING IN THAT LAW.
2. Play semantic games and say that since the Church is called "the Israel of God" you will revive the Law of Moses in its entirety. Even the weekly sabbath is included here, so you will become a Sabbatarian.
3. Obey the Law of Christ and celebrate just ONE FEAST -- the Lord's Supper, on the LORD'S DAY.
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Only true if you are keeping the law for the purpose of justification. That is when you must keep it all.
"I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law"-Galatians 5:3-4
You need to give scripture showing that God speaks to us in the NT but not in the OT. Or that the OT isn't scripture.
Please give scripture showing us that God speaks to one nation while not accepting other nations as worth speak to.
The dodge was you saying I only know modern Hebrew, leaving me unqualified to comment in Biblical Hebrew. When in fact, the opposite is true!
I apologize if you thought I was talking about your knowledge. Although, come to think of it, unless you get this information from scholarly sources, referenced scholars, you really could be getting anything someone with basic Hebrew knowledge was making up.
If I gave the impression that I knew the Hebrew you learned, I'm sorry. I was asking.
I don't also like your saying I am not checking the source of my information. I never read an ancient history book without checking the authors credentials. I use the computer, and again I check the source of any site. In my town are two biblical scholars, Klein and Spears who are acknowledged scholars. I am certainly not Catholic, but I find they have collected documents that can be relied on. I have also found that two history books can report differently about the same period, both giving facts. It is in what facts they chose to report. Do you take this much care to choose the things you read?
My retired minister who is a dear accepts anything he learned in seminary, although I have found that much of this is doctrine, or interpretation of scripture and not really scripture. He believes what he learned in seminary as from God, ahead of scripture. Just think of the millions of Muslims and Mormons, all sure of the information they receive. We cannot be too careful.
That is incorrect. Kindly quote from the Old Testament to prove what you have stated above: "Only true if you are keeping the law for the purpose of justification."
You will not find any such statement in the Torah. There are no exemptions.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
OT scripture and NT scripture both come from God and is truth.