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We are all members of Christ's Body joined by One Spirit and One baptism...people think they are whole organs but the point is that we need one another and are called to work together as a team.
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1 Corinthians
12For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slavesd or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
14For the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? 18But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts,e yet one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, 24which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, 25that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.
27Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it
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1 Corinthians
12For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slavesd or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
14For the body does not consist of one member but of many. 15If the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” that would not make it any less a part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would be the sense of hearing? If the whole body were an ear, where would be the sense of smell? 18But as it is, God arranged the members in the body, each one of them, as he chose. 19If all were a single member, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts,e yet one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty, 24which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it, 25that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another. 26If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.
27Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it
Yes, water baptism is a picture or symbol of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and the death and burial and resurrection of you as you are born again by water baptism into a new person in Christ.
The baptism of the HS is another thing entirely that paints a different picture. Both are necessary for salvation. As Jesus says you must be born of the water = water baptism for its symbolism, and born of the spirit = baptism of the spirit. Both are cleansing agents to prepare your new person to be ready to do the works that were created for them to do.
The baptism of the HS is another thing entirely that paints a different picture. Both are necessary for salvation. As Jesus says you must be born of the water = water baptism for its symbolism, and born of the spirit = baptism of the spirit. Both are cleansing agents to prepare your new person to be ready to do the works that were created for them to do.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? I tend to USE the simplified English Translations, for those who have a track record of NOT LISTENING. Disciples DOES NOT MEAN that a SAVED PERSON can fall away. It only means a Willing Follower of a Specific Teacher.
NOW BORN AGAIN, MEANS THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME INTO THE HEART and BIRTHED THEIR DEAD HUMAN SPIRIT INTO ETERNAL LIFE, and THAT IS TRUE SALVATION, and IT WILL NEVER FALL AWAY. You seem to think a true Christian is MUCH LESS than I do.
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born of water = born of flesh (fleshly birth)
born of spirit = when your spirit is made alive/ quickened (spiritual birth)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(He uses birth as an earthly example to help the lost Nicodemus who believed in works and didnt understand spiritual things to explain something spiritual to him)
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(again Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus speaking of two physical births)
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(still speaking of brith and trying to relate the two.... born of water = anatomical fluid/natural birth and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new)
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(again further explaining to hammer the point in of the two births.... flesh = water Spirit = God)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
born of water = born of flesh (fleshly birth)
born of spirit = when your spirit is made alive/ quickened (spiritual birth)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
(He uses birth as an earthly example to help the lost Nicodemus who believed in works and didnt understand spiritual things to explain something spiritual to him)
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
(again Nicodemus is unable to understand this spiritual lesson even with an earthly example of birth so he uses his earthly reasoning to question Jesus speaking of two physical births)
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(still speaking of brith and trying to relate the two.... born of water = anatomical fluid/natural birth and born of the Spirit = when God makes His children new)
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(again further explaining to hammer the point in of the two births.... flesh = water Spirit = God)
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
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Your right it is a symbol, like communion is a symbol, Circumcision was a symbol, The OT sacrifices were a symbol, the law was a symbol.
Symbols do not save, God saves.
A symbol can not by the symbol and the actual event at the same time.. If it is the actual event, it is not a symbol. if it is a symbol, it is the symbol of the actual event.
WHAT? The baptism of the HS is not a symbol, it is the actual event that water baptism symbolises
Paul said there is one baptism, not two. Your causing paul to be a liar.
Symbols do not save, God saves.
A symbol can not by the symbol and the actual event at the same time.. If it is the actual event, it is not a symbol. if it is a symbol, it is the symbol of the actual event.
WHAT? The baptism of the HS is not a symbol, it is the actual event that water baptism symbolises
Paul said there is one baptism, not two. Your causing paul to be a liar.
The word used to WASH the feet.....NO where near and or associated with Baptism.....
Peter said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: niptó
Phonetic Spelling: (nip'-to)
Short Definition: I wash
Definition: I wash; mid. I wash my own (hands, etc.)
THE word used for BAPTIZED, BAPTIZE, BAPTISM
Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him.
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: baptizó
Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tid'-zo)
Short Definition: I dip, submerge, baptize
Definition: lit: I dip, submerge, but specifically of ceremonial dipping; I baptize
The only people who refuse to admit doctrinal error are those who in pride are bound down in a religious creed.....this argument that the word for WASHING feet is and or can be the mode of baptism is false, foolish, flat denies the above facts, truth of the word, the mode of baptism and the representation of baptism which is death, burial and COMING UP FROM THE GROUND A NEW CREATION!
Peter said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."
niptó: to wash
Original Word: νίπτωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: niptó
Phonetic Spelling: (nip'-to)
Short Definition: I wash
Definition: I wash; mid. I wash my own (hands, etc.)
THE word used for BAPTIZED, BAPTIZE, BAPTISM
Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him.
baptizó: to dip, sink
Original Word: βαπτίζωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: baptizó
Phonetic Spelling: (bap-tid'-zo)
Short Definition: I dip, submerge, baptize
Definition: lit: I dip, submerge, but specifically of ceremonial dipping; I baptize
The only people who refuse to admit doctrinal error are those who in pride are bound down in a religious creed.....this argument that the word for WASHING feet is and or can be the mode of baptism is false, foolish, flat denies the above facts, truth of the word, the mode of baptism and the representation of baptism which is death, burial and COMING UP FROM THE GROUND A NEW CREATION!
Mailmandan and I say that good works are attached to (he says accompanied by) faith. We know this because James says faith without works is dead. Sorry, it is true that no works = no faith (no matter how loud a person boasts of their faith in Christ), and finally no faith = no eternal life. So believe, have faith, and accompany that with good works created by Christ for you to do and eternal life will be right around the corner.