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I know Mailmandan......and his belief....you do not believe the same thing he does....the fact that you try and include his belief with yours is tragic and not very honest.........he fully believes one is entirely saved eternally by faith alone......and if you took time to read the thread you will find that NOT one person who believes saved by grace through faith eternally has said that a believer will not bear fruit.
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MANY call Head Knowledge about who Jesus is, admitting it is all true; to be the same as born again. EVEN THE DEMONS in the demoniacs at Gadera, believed that much. AND I am not sure about you.
FAKE BELIEVERS:
Matthew 7:21-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
FAKE BELIEVING VIRGINS:
Matthew 25:7-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.
FAKE BELIEVERS FOOLING ONLY THEM SELVES:
1 John 2:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to KNOW Him,” yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
FAKE BELIEVERS who fell away:
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us. {NONE of them were BORN AGAIN.}
FAKE DISCIPLES OR FOLLOWER:
John 6:66 (YLT)
[SUP]66 [/SUP] From this time many of his disciples went away backward, and were no more walking with him,
All of them were Psuedo Christians.
NONE OF THEM, were actually BORN AGAIN. AND only those who are BORN AGAIN, are truly SAVED ETERNALLY.
John 10:24-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Then the Jews surrounded Him and asked, “How long are You going to keep us in suspense? If You are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP] “I did tell you and you don’t believe,” Jesus answered them. “The works that I do in My Father’s name testify about Me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”
MANY call Head Knowledge about who Jesus is, admitting it is all true; to be the same as born again. EVEN THE DEMONS in the demoniacs at Gadera, believed that much. AND I am not sure about you.
FAKE BELIEVERS:
Matthew 7:21-23 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
FAKE BELIEVING VIRGINS:
Matthew 25:7-13 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
[SUP]12 [/SUP] “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.
FAKE BELIEVERS FOOLING ONLY THEM SELVES:
1 John 2:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] The one who says, “I have come to KNOW Him,” yet doesn't keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
FAKE BELIEVERS who fell away:
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us. {NONE of them were BORN AGAIN.}
FAKE DISCIPLES OR FOLLOWER:
John 6:66 (YLT)
[SUP]66 [/SUP] From this time many of his disciples went away backward, and were no more walking with him,
All of them were Psuedo Christians.
NONE OF THEM, were actually BORN AGAIN. AND only those who are BORN AGAIN, are truly SAVED ETERNALLY.
John 10:24-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Then the Jews surrounded Him and asked, “How long are You going to keep us in suspense? If You are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
[SUP]25 [/SUP] “I did tell you and you don’t believe,” Jesus answered them. “The works that I do in My Father’s name testify about Me.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”
We must not put the cart before the horse and teach that salvation is by works. We are saved by grace through faith, not works, then created in Christ Jesus unto good works (Ephesians 2:8-10). Good works accompany faith as the fruit, but not the root of salvation. If someone claims to have faith, but produces no works at all (James 2:14), then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not genuine saving faith in Christ.
The creed was developed long before there was a bible.
So it helped initiates to baptism and membership to have something to believe in that was in writing. The apostles writings were floating around hither thither and from one church to another around the Christian world, but not put together in the bible yet.
So the apostles creed was helpful in the beginning before the bible was available.
Is there anything in the creed that does not correspond in the bible?
So it helped initiates to baptism and membership to have something to believe in that was in writing. The apostles writings were floating around hither thither and from one church to another around the Christian world, but not put together in the bible yet.
So the apostles creed was helpful in the beginning before the bible was available.
Is there anything in the creed that does not correspond in the bible?
HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA wow man.......that view totally contradicts the fact that the bible was complete by 95 A.D. or so and the letters of the New Testament were being passed around and read in the churches WELL before any creed written by men....
Go back to Sunday School and start with the milk........
Go back to Sunday School and start with the milk........
You say James was not saying that if you have faith, then you must have works, He is saying simply that it is impossible to have one without the other. Well, if you analyze those 2 statements they boil down to the same thing. If it is impossible to have faith without having good works, then if you have faith, you must have works. He was simply saying that. Dead faith = no works.
How many ways can you say it before you come back to: Faith without works is dead. Dead faith= no faith. No faith= no eternal life. And finally, no works = no eternal life.
How many ways can you say it before you come back to: Faith without works is dead. Dead faith= no faith. No faith= no eternal life. And finally, no works = no eternal life.
It is tragically sad how many take James out of context to make it say something that it does not say....
James compares the mental assent of faith by a man to the devils which believe (not in JESUS for saving faith, but rather that there is indeed a god (THE GOD) and the majority of the world, in some form or fashion, believes in a god, some god, many gods, but the very mental assent these people make that there is a god (THE GOD) does not equate to saving faith.
The key to understanding James point about the evidence of a saving faith is found in the words (SHOW ME) and goes to the very root of what James is saying....
What good does it do to say to someone who is hungry or cold...be filled and warmed if no coat or food is given? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING......JUST as a MERE MENTAL ASSENT that there is a GOD does NOTHING in the realm of saving a man.
The whole address of JAMES is AIMED at the ability of MEN to SEE in a MAN that invisible, biblical saving FAITH that actually goes beyond a MERE MENTAL ASSENT that their is indeed a GOD (THE GOD)
IT HAS absolutely NOTHING to do with what is required for a MAN to be saved by biblical FAITH.
JESUS is the prime example of how ALL of this bears out......HE was not made a SON of GOD by HIS IMMERSION, HE WAS NOT MADE a SON of GOD by the many wonderful works and miracles that he performed.....
HE WAS BORN the SON OF GOD BY BIRTH through the POWER of the SPIRIT......everything beyond that WAS PROOF of who he was.
JESUS was clear.....WHAT MUST I DO said the LOST MAN.....JESUS SAID, "THIS IS THE WORK of the HEAVENLY FATHER, THAT YOU BELIEVE on HIM WHOM HE HAS SENT."
NOT a MERE mental ASSENT that there is a GOD, but RATHER that the SON of GOD died on the cross to save you from your sins and that GOD has raised him up the 3rd day for YOUR JUSTIFICATION.
MEN are SAVED eternally by FAITH into the GOSPEL MESSAGE.....BAPTISM (Immersion) is the 1st ACT of obedience and the PUBLIC testimony of said FAITH........IT IS a WORK of RIGHTEOUSNESS and states to the world....I AM DEAD with CHRIST, I AM BURIED with CHRIST and I AM RESURRECTED with CHRIST as a NEW CREATION, BORN A SON OF GOD by the SPIRIT and INCORRUPTABLE SEED.
ANYTHING, ALL things beyond the INITIAL saving faith is the proof in the pudding if you will. THE whole concept of faith without works is dead IS APPLICABLE to the MENTAL ASSENT compared to the same belief in god by the devils and is not applicable unto genuine saving faith that eternally saves, justifies, seals and sanctifies positionally before GOD!
BEFORE anyone uses the words MUST HAVE...refer to the BOLDED above!!
James compares the mental assent of faith by a man to the devils which believe (not in JESUS for saving faith, but rather that there is indeed a god (THE GOD) and the majority of the world, in some form or fashion, believes in a god, some god, many gods, but the very mental assent these people make that there is a god (THE GOD) does not equate to saving faith.
The key to understanding James point about the evidence of a saving faith is found in the words (SHOW ME) and goes to the very root of what James is saying....
What good does it do to say to someone who is hungry or cold...be filled and warmed if no coat or food is given? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING......JUST as a MERE MENTAL ASSENT that there is a GOD does NOTHING in the realm of saving a man.
The whole address of JAMES is AIMED at the ability of MEN to SEE in a MAN that invisible, biblical saving FAITH that actually goes beyond a MERE MENTAL ASSENT that their is indeed a GOD (THE GOD)
IT HAS absolutely NOTHING to do with what is required for a MAN to be saved by biblical FAITH.
JESUS is the prime example of how ALL of this bears out......HE was not made a SON of GOD by HIS IMMERSION, HE WAS NOT MADE a SON of GOD by the many wonderful works and miracles that he performed.....
HE WAS BORN the SON OF GOD BY BIRTH through the POWER of the SPIRIT......everything beyond that WAS PROOF of who he was.
JESUS was clear.....WHAT MUST I DO said the LOST MAN.....JESUS SAID, "THIS IS THE WORK of the HEAVENLY FATHER, THAT YOU BELIEVE on HIM WHOM HE HAS SENT."
NOT a MERE mental ASSENT that there is a GOD, but RATHER that the SON of GOD died on the cross to save you from your sins and that GOD has raised him up the 3rd day for YOUR JUSTIFICATION.
MEN are SAVED eternally by FAITH into the GOSPEL MESSAGE.....BAPTISM (Immersion) is the 1st ACT of obedience and the PUBLIC testimony of said FAITH........IT IS a WORK of RIGHTEOUSNESS and states to the world....I AM DEAD with CHRIST, I AM BURIED with CHRIST and I AM RESURRECTED with CHRIST as a NEW CREATION, BORN A SON OF GOD by the SPIRIT and INCORRUPTABLE SEED.
ANYTHING, ALL things beyond the INITIAL saving faith is the proof in the pudding if you will. THE whole concept of faith without works is dead IS APPLICABLE to the MENTAL ASSENT compared to the same belief in god by the devils and is not applicable unto genuine saving faith that eternally saves, justifies, seals and sanctifies positionally before GOD!
BEFORE anyone uses the words MUST HAVE...refer to the BOLDED above!!
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Romans 11:29, which says that “the gifts and callings of God are without repentance.”
Works are a sign of our being indwelt, sealed, by the spirit of holy God. They are not what saves us so as to be eternally with God.
God's grace calls the sinner to salvation by faith.
It isn't complicated as some teachings like to make it. And some people out there in the world and that I've encountered from time to time, try to argue it.
Works are a sign of our being indwelt, sealed, by the spirit of holy God. They are not what saves us so as to be eternally with God.
God's grace calls the sinner to salvation by faith.
It isn't complicated as some teachings like to make it. And some people out there in the world and that I've encountered from time to time, try to argue it.
THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT PART OF SALVATION.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me{that is BORN AGAIN, that inner, personal relationship, as LORD},
you will keep My commands. {that lifestyle change resulting from GOD's LOVE being poured into your HEART. The Mind of your born again human spirit is in your HEART, not your HEAD.}
Romans 5:5-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. {That happens the MOMENT WE Genuinely BELIEVE, our human spirit comes alive ETERNALLY.}
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For while we were still helpless, at the appointed moment, Christ died for the ungodly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For rarely will someone die for a just person—though for a good person perhaps someone might even dare to die.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
Romans 10:8-11 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
[SUP]9 [/SUP] That if you confess {NOT JUST PROFESS IT} with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
People who think they have decided to follow Jesus, and it is ONLY IN THEIR HEAD; in my opinion, will be woefully disappointed. Your HEART must be involved, or it is a counterfeit.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me{that is BORN AGAIN, that inner, personal relationship, as LORD},
you will keep My commands. {that lifestyle change resulting from GOD's LOVE being poured into your HEART. The Mind of your born again human spirit is in your HEART, not your HEAD.}
Romans 5:5-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. {That happens the MOMENT WE Genuinely BELIEVE, our human spirit comes alive ETERNALLY.}
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For while we were still helpless, at the appointed moment, Christ died for the ungodly.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For rarely will someone die for a just person—though for a good person perhaps someone might even dare to die.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
Romans 10:8-11 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
[SUP]9 [/SUP] That if you confess {NOT JUST PROFESS IT} with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."
People who think they have decided to follow Jesus, and it is ONLY IN THEIR HEAD; in my opinion, will be woefully disappointed. Your HEART must be involved, or it is a counterfeit.
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We don't have "the law of sin in us"
We have spiritual strongholds that war against God that need to be torn down, we have the freshly mindset and understandings and bad habits that need to be crucified and put to death.
We who are born again have the law of the Spirit controling and ruling out hearts and minds.
What we need is to stop listening to the world's lies and learn to hear the Holy spirit and listen to His truth about ourselves,the world and His plans.
We have spiritual strongholds that war against God that need to be torn down, we have the freshly mindset and understandings and bad habits that need to be crucified and put to death.
We who are born again have the law of the Spirit controling and ruling out hearts and minds.
What we need is to stop listening to the world's lies and learn to hear the Holy spirit and listen to His truth about ourselves,the world and His plans.
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Umm..,, the word for baptized is this one..
Greek Concordance: βαπτισθῆναι (baptisthēnai) -- 11 Occurrences
Bible > Strong's > Greek
◄ βαπτισθῆναι ►
Englishman's Concordance
βαπτισθῆναι (baptisthēnai) — 11 Occurrences
Matthew 3:13 V-ANP
GRK: Ἰωάννην τοῦ βαπτισθῆναι ὑπ' αὐτοῦ
NAS: [coming] to John, to be baptized by him.
KJV: unto John, to be baptized of him.
INT: John to be baptized by him
Matthew 3:14 V-ANP
GRK: ὑπὸ σοῦ βαπτισθῆναι καὶ σὺ
NAS: need to be baptized by You, and do You come
KJV: have need to be baptized of thee,
INT: by you to be baptized and you
Matthew 20:22 V-ANP
GRK: ἐγὼ βαπτίζομαι βαπτισθῆναι λέγουσιν αὐτῷ
KJV: I am baptized with? They say
INT: I am baptized to be baptized [with] They say to him
Greek Concordance: βαπτισθῆναι (baptisthēnai) -- 11 Occurrences
Bible > Strong's > Greek
◄ βαπτισθῆναι ►
Englishman's Concordance
βαπτισθῆναι (baptisthēnai) — 11 Occurrences
Matthew 3:13 V-ANP
GRK: Ἰωάννην τοῦ βαπτισθῆναι ὑπ' αὐτοῦ
NAS: [coming] to John, to be baptized by him.
KJV: unto John, to be baptized of him.
INT: John to be baptized by him
Matthew 3:14 V-ANP
GRK: ὑπὸ σοῦ βαπτισθῆναι καὶ σὺ
NAS: need to be baptized by You, and do You come
KJV: have need to be baptized of thee,
INT: by you to be baptized and you
Matthew 20:22 V-ANP
GRK: ἐγὼ βαπτίζομαι βαπτισθῆναι λέγουσιν αὐτῷ
KJV: I am baptized with? They say
INT: I am baptized to be baptized [with] They say to him
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Matthew 20v22 shows that baptism is not water immersion but refers to "drinking from the cup of sorrows" and the some translations show that Jesus baptism is in the future.
Washed in the blood of the Lamb.
Are you willing to crucify your flesh and rise to New kife, born again in the Holy spirit?
Are you willing to give your life to Jesus and follow God's will instead of your own?
Will you pickup your cross and follow Jesus?
Or will you make excuses and cling to earthly wealth and comfort?
Washed in the blood of the Lamb.
Are you willing to crucify your flesh and rise to New kife, born again in the Holy spirit?
Are you willing to give your life to Jesus and follow God's will instead of your own?
Will you pickup your cross and follow Jesus?
Or will you make excuses and cling to earthly wealth and comfort?
Now you TWIST what I said. I said when you CLAIM CLIMBING INTO A BAPTISTRY
IS NECESSARY for Salvation, YOU TAKE THE GLORY AWAY FROM JESUS.
When DID the Thief on the Cross get Baptized in WATER?
When DID any of the Death Bed Confession get Baptized in WATER?
When DID any of the OLD TESTAMENT Prophets get in WATER?
When DID any of the Believers, prior to John the Baptist, get Baptized in Water?
Malachi 3:6 (GWT)
[SUP]6[/SUP] “I, the LORD, never change.
That is why you descendants of Jacob haven't been destroyed yet.
GUESS how many times Baptism is used in Old Testament?
Ahh, you guessed, it is 0 times.
Guess how many times in the Old Testament is Immersed used in reference to a Person?
ONLY ONE, but it was to Cure a Skin-disease or Leprosy?
2 Kings 5:14 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] So he went down and immersed himself seven times in the Jordan, according to the word of the man of God; his flesh was restored like the flesh of a young boy, and he was clean.
Romans 4:2-5 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
THE ONLY BAPTISM THAT IS CONNECTED TO SALVATION IS THIS ONE WHERE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE BAPTIZER AND WE ARE IMMERSED INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 12:12-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members
of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--
whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made
to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For in fact the body is not one member but many.
John 17:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
[SUP]31 [/SUP] so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."
Romans 12:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] in the same way we who are many are one body in Christ and individually members of one another.
NOW, HOW DID YOU GET THERE, in the Spiritual Body of Christ?
Or are you NOT there Yet?
IS NECESSARY for Salvation, YOU TAKE THE GLORY AWAY FROM JESUS.
When DID the Thief on the Cross get Baptized in WATER?
When DID any of the Death Bed Confession get Baptized in WATER?
When DID any of the OLD TESTAMENT Prophets get in WATER?
When DID any of the Believers, prior to John the Baptist, get Baptized in Water?
Malachi 3:6 (GWT)
[SUP]6[/SUP] “I, the LORD, never change.
That is why you descendants of Jacob haven't been destroyed yet.
GUESS how many times Baptism is used in Old Testament?
Ahh, you guessed, it is 0 times.
Guess how many times in the Old Testament is Immersed used in reference to a Person?
ONLY ONE, but it was to Cure a Skin-disease or Leprosy?
2 Kings 5:14 (NRSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] So he went down and immersed himself seven times in the Jordan, according to the word of the man of God; his flesh was restored like the flesh of a young boy, and he was clean.
Romans 4:2-5 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
THE ONLY BAPTISM THAT IS CONNECTED TO SALVATION IS THIS ONE WHERE THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE BAPTIZER AND WE ARE IMMERSED INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST.
1 Corinthians 12:12-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members
of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--
whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made
to drink into one Spirit.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For in fact the body is not one member but many.
John 17:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] May they all be one, as You, Father, are in Me and I am in You. May they also be one in Us, so the world may believe You sent Me.
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
[SUP]31 [/SUP] so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."
Romans 12:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] in the same way we who are many are one body in Christ and individually members of one another.
NOW, HOW DID YOU GET THERE, in the Spiritual Body of Christ?
Or are you NOT there Yet?
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