GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh — though I myself have reasons for such confidence.
If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more:
circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee

(Philippians 3:3-5)

Paul points at his Pharisee status as "
reason to put confidence in the flesh"

((though of course he prefaces this by explaining that, having been immersed in Christ, he has
no confidence in the flesh))

two sapient points here:

Paul at this point is speaking by the the Spirit of God and knows the gospel truth better than anyone here. serving by the Spirit negates any confidence in works or attributes of the flesh. they are counted as dung.

this Paul, full of knowledge of God, counts Phariseeism as being a good reason to boast in the flesh. it is presented as a good attribute in the context of works-righteousness. it's the fact that the flesh profits nothing, not the intrinsic value of being a Pharisee, that makes this worthless after having known and received the gospel.

i.e. he is not mentioning it as though it is an evil thing in and of itself. it's something a man could boast of, if such boasting were not totally negated by the atoning work of the Lord: put in direct comparison ((not​ contrast!)) with such things as being an Hebrew by lineage, having been circumcised, being zealous for God, and blameless in the sight of the Law.



 

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ahem:



when scripture says "the Law" it doesn't mean 'completely extra-scriptural & purely human-origin pharisetical traditions antithetical to the Law'

. . "
the Law" means "the Law"
I understand your preaching on this matter has been around since the Catholics created it, but if you look at the rest of the scriptures regarding the Pharisees, I can't see how you can come to this conclusion.

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[TD="class: v en"]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.[/TD]
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[TD="class: v en"]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.[/TD]
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[TD="class: v en"]For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:[/TD]
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[TD="class: v en"]And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.[/TD]
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[TD="class: v en"]Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, (Whose Law? They didn't keep God's) blameless.

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[TD="class: v en"]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.[/TD]
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[TD="class: v en"]But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.[/TD]
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The Jews had a religion, but according to the Prophets of Old and the Word's of Jesus and Paul, their "law" was not the Laws of God.


"We have a Law, and by our law He should die". What Law of God condemned Jesus?

What Law of God said you couldn't take a Sabbath Walk and eat a Strawberry. What Law condemned the Disciples for eating without going through some hand washing ceremony?

"As touching the Law, a Pharisee".

4 words of one sentence from Paul, taken out of context in my opinion, doesn't erase the Prophets prophesy of the Pharisees, or EVERY Word Jesus spoke about them, or everything Paul spoke about them.

Paul NEVER said He was obedient to God before his conversion.

If you can't accept this simple truth, how can you understand anything he says?
 

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Your quote. Paul was not a Godly Jew. He was a Pharisee. .
God chose Paul because of all Paul was, and you need to do a search of just who Paul was before he was changed by Christ. He was a Jew, raised as a Jew with all their culture but in a gentile city. That made him a Jew who understood and thought like a Jew but with an understanding of gentiles. Then he went to school at a school who had the highest standards of any. Today we would say of someone like Paul that he went to the best college and graduated at the top of his class. Your idea that every Pharisee was a stuffed shirt is not correct. God used Paul because of his leadership abilities and also his extensive knowledge from home, school, and experience. When Paul learned of Christ and accepted Christ he did not discard all he was up to that point, Christ gave him additional knowledge and understanding. Paul only discarded ideas that were in conflict with God's truth.
 

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God chose Paul because of all Paul was, and you need to do a search of just who Paul was before he was changed by Christ. He was a Jew, raised as a Jew with all their culture but in a gentile city. That made him a Jew who understood and thought like a Jew but with an understanding of gentiles. Then he went to school at a school who had the highest standards of any. Today we would say of someone like Paul that he went to the best college and graduated at the top of his class. Your idea that every Pharisee was a stuffed shirt is not correct. God used Paul because of his leadership abilities and also his extensive knowledge from home, school, and experience. When Paul learned of Christ and accepted Christ he did not discard all he was up to that point, Christ gave him additional knowledge and understanding. Paul only discarded ideas that were in conflict with God's truth.
That is a lot of information that is assumed. I think he was a Good Pharisee, more zealous for the religious traditions of their religion than most. It does make sense for God to pick someone who was so knowledgeable of this religion that Jesus rejected.

Not all Pharisees were "a stuffed shirt" as I have said many times. Zechariahs was a "Godly Jew". And I might note that he knew Jesus when He came, along with the "wise men", but the great majority of the Pharisees did not, including Paul. All their religious schooling and "knowledge" of the "Jews Religion" did nothing but teach them to murder innocent people who were just serving their God in truth and Holiness, including their own Messiah.

I don't know for sure what your point of this "schooling" is. It certainly didn't create "Godly Jews", this is a truth to be sure.

My point was to counter, what I believe to be, an insidious lie, a terrible belief that really sheds a false light on God and His Word's, and that is the teaching that the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by following God's Commandments "to the letter". Those who promote this teaching use Philippians to support it. But in doing so, they must first omit or reject all Paul and Jesus and the Prophets said about the "Levite Priests" who had corrupted His word so bad. This lie has lead to many other untruths about God's Word, and of course it would. "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump".


I do agree with your point about Paul only discarded the man made religious traditions and doctrines but not the instructions of the Word which became Flesh. I think that the truth about the scriptures were so foreign to the Mainstream Preachers of that time because they had corrupted it so badly. The truth, which Zechariahs knew, was lost to the "Many" who came in God's Name. They thought the "truth" was a lie. I think it is the same way today with many religious franchises and that is why Jesus warned us so many times about religious folks deceiving people.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
 
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if one chooses to live their life in their 'own' perception/reality, real and true Christians understand this,
and they understand, without a doubt, what their JOB truly IS...
 

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"As touching the Law, a Pharisee".

4 words of one sentence from Paul, taken out of context in my opinion
i didn't take it out of context.
in fact i went to length to explain how important the context is!
read it again.

the context is 'good' things according to human judgement of righteousness: circumcision according to the commandment. direct descendancy from Abraham. zeal for the house of God. blamelessness with regard to the righteousness of the Law.

you, dude, are just simply ignoring what the Bible says, because you have created your own imagination of what you think it should say; your own human tradition that you clearly hold in higher esteem than what God actually says. Law means Law.

want to talk about "out of context" ?
we're talking about Philippians ch. 3, so you took random verses from from 4 other books, without even mentioning that they are other books, and inserted your own opinions right into the middle of them. and on that flimsy basis, slandered me, once again.

 
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Paul persecuted the church because he believed Jesus was guilty of blasphemy against God's own Law. zeal.

he found out different.
 

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Your quote.



Paul was not a Godly Jew. He was a Pharisee. He was Blameless as to the traditions of his fathers. Who also were not Godly. Because when they knew God, they did not Glorify Him as God, and became vain in their imaginations, as Paul describes.

The preaching that the Pharisees were "obeying the Letter of the Law" is widespread, but false just the same, If the Bible is your source of information. I/2 of one sentence from Paul, taken out of context, does not change all his other words, or all the scriptures which tell us the Pharisees were "NOT GODLY, but taught for doctrines the commandments of Men.

My argument does not fall flat. Your statement. "Paul was a godly Jew under the law and believed himself to be blameless"

is not representative of the Bibles description of the Pharisee, or Paul before his conversion.
Paul’s reasons why he might have confidence in the flesh.

• Paul was circumcised the eighth day in accordance with Lev_12:3.

• Paul was of the stock of Israel, a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and therefore an heir to God’s covenant with them.

• Paul was of the tribe of Benjamin, a distinguished tribe. Benjamin was distinguished by the fact that it gave Israel her first king, Saul (1Sa_9:1-2). It was the tribe that aligned itself with faithful Judah when Israel divided into two nations at the time of Rehoboam (1Ki_12:21). It was also the tribe that had the city of Jerusalem within its boundaries (Jdg_1:21).

• Paul was a Hebrew of the Hebrews. This contrasted him with the Jews who embraced Greek culture as it spread through the Mediterranean. In that time, many Jews became ashamed of their Jewishness and tried to live and act as much like Greeks as they could, sometimes even to the point of having their circumcision cosmetically restored or hidden so they could enjoy the Roman public baths without being noticed as Jews. In contrast, Paul was raised by his parents as a Hebrew of the Hebrews.

Concerning the law . . .: Paul then listed three things that were his by personal choice and conviction, all reasons why he might have confidence in the flesh.

• Paul was concerning the law, a Pharisee. This tells us that among an elite people (the Jews), Paul was of an elite sect (the Pharisees), who were noted for their scrupulous devotion to the law of God. “There were not very many Pharisees, never more than six thousand, but they were the spiritual athletes of Judaism. Their very name means The Separated Ones. They had separated themselves off from all common life and from all common tasks in order to make it the one aim of their lives to keep every smallest detail of the Law.” (Barclay) The concern that Pharisees had for keeping the law is reflected in passages like Mat_23:23.

• Concerning zeal, persecuting the church. Paul was not merely an intellectual opponent of perceived heresies against Judaism; he was also an active fighter against them - even in his blindness to God. Paul’s observation that the Jews of his day have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge (Rom_10:2) was true of his own life before God confronted him on the road to Damascus.

• Concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. This shows that Paul achieved the standard of righteousness which was accepted among the men of his day - though this standard fell short of God’s holy standard. Because of how the law was interpreted and taught, there were those of that day who were deceived into thinking that they really were blameless, like the rich young ruler (Luk_18:18-23).

In summary, if anyone could lay claim to pleasing God by law-keeping and the works of the flesh, it was Paul. He was far more qualified than his legalizing opponents were to make such a claim.

(Guzik)

For all his law-keeping, none of that was sufficient for the salvation of his soul.
 

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i didn't take it out of context.
in fact i went to length to explain how important the context is!
read it again.

the context is 'good' things according to human judgement of righteousness: circumcision according to the commandment. direct descendancy from Abraham. zeal for the house of God. blamelessness with regard to the righteousness of the Law.

you, dude, are just simply ignoring what the Bible says, because you have created your own imagination of what you think it should say; your own human tradition that you clearly hold in higher esteem than what God actually says. Law means Law.

want to talk about "out of context" ?
we're talking about Philippians ch. 3, so you took random verses from from 4 other books, without even mentioning that they are other books, and inserted your own opinions right into the middle of them. and on that flimsy basis, slandered me, once again.

this is studyman;s main tactic- constantly accuse others of doing what you are doing. always be in attack mode.
 

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Paul NEVER said He was obedient to God before his conversion.
. . touching the righteousness which is in the Law, blameless.
(Philippians 3:6)

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. . and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the Law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith . .
(Philippians 3:9)


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this word "nomo"
-- does it mean "
the Law" or does it mean "human traditions and commandments of men" ?


Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets:
I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

(Matthew 5:17)

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shall we believe Jesus?
 

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"We have a Law, and by our law He should die". What Law of God condemned Jesus?

happy to help address ignorance :)


the charge ((which was false, because Christ is God)) against Jesus was blasphemy.

Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I AM!
At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

(John 8:58-59)​

see also in particular Mark 14:62-64. Christ directly identifies Himself with YHWH

((re: Exodus. 13:21-22, Exodus 14:19-20, Exodus 14:24, Exodus 33:9, Psalm 78:14, Psalm 99:7, Exodus 34:5, Exodus 40:34-38, Numbers 9:15-22, Deuteronomy 31:15, 1 Kings 8:10-11, Ezekiel 10:3, Ezekiel 1:4, Ezekiel 1:28, Isaiah 4:5, Ezekiel 30:3, Joel 2:2, Nahum 1:3, Zepheniah 1:15, Isaiah 19:1, 2 Samuel 22:12, Job 22:14, Psalm 68:34, Psalm 104:3, etc etc))


the Law is clear:

Anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death.
The entire assembly must stone them.

(Leviticus 24:16)

if it were anyone other than God enfleshed who made these statements, it would be blasphemy.
the leaders of the Jews were very zealous and scrupulous, and very well studied in the Law & prophets. they immediately recognized what Christ was claiming.

but they did not believe Jesus is who He is.


 
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I understand your preaching on this matter has been around since the Catholics
post is definitely not a preacher. :p

"the Law" has meant "the Law" since the LORD gave it to Moses.

what's actually a more recent invention is re-defining "
the Law" to mean "human tradition" wherever it would upset a person's private doctrine if what is literally written in scripture is what is literally written in scripture.
 

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That is a lot of information that is assumed. I think he was a Good Pharisee, more zealous for the religious traditions of their religion than most. It does make sense for God to pick someone who was so knowledgeable of this religion that Jesus rejected.

Not all Pharisees were "a stuffed shirt" as I have said many times. Zechariahs was a "Godly Jew". And I might note that he knew Jesus when He came, along with the "wise men", but the great majority of the Pharisees did not, including Paul. All their religious schooling and "knowledge" of the "Jews Religion" did nothing but teach them to murder innocent people who were just serving their God in truth and Holiness, including their own Messiah.

I don't know for sure what your point of this "schooling" is. It certainly didn't create "Godly Jews", this is a truth to be sure.

My point was to counter, what I believe to be, an insidious lie, a terrible belief that really sheds a false light on God and His Word's, and that is the teaching that the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by following God's Commandments "to the letter". Those who promote this teaching use Philippians to support it. But in doing so, they must first omit or reject all Paul and Jesus and the Prophets said about the "Levite Priests" who had corrupted His word so bad. This lie has lead to many other untruths about God's Word, and of course it would. "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump".


I do agree with your point about Paul only discarded the man made religious traditions and doctrines but not the instructions of the Word which became Flesh. I think that the truth about the scriptures were so foreign to the Mainstream Preachers of that time because they had corrupted it so badly. The truth, which Zechariahs knew, was lost to the "Many" who came in God's Name. They thought the "truth" was a lie. I think it is the same way today with many religious franchises and that is why Jesus warned us so many times about religious folks deceiving people.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
It seems to me that today many believe many lies about the kingdom of God.

Because many Pharisees became so engrossed in the mechanics of religion instead of using the mechanics to lead them to worship and understanding that they use the word Pharisee to say this. I am using the word mechanics in order to reach the way people think today, meaning such as the dietary laws.

God used our years from Abraham to Christ to show us, through the Jews, His ways, His covenants, and how we can live in this world for the most happiness. Christ certainly was aware of the school where Gamaliel, Paul's teacher taught. Christ spoke against acting pious only to impress people. Christ did not ever speak against pious acts done to worship. Gamaliel is spoken of in Acts 5:34 when he counselled to not condemn the apostles. Much of our New Testament scripture is quoting the same things that Gamaliel taught. We cannot say that this school did not turn out Godly men.

My point is that we must find the truth about our God and not get carried away with half truths that become lies. We need to be able learn about Paul's former treatment of people who knew Christ, learn why he acted so without blaming all Jews, or all people of that day, or all Pharisees.
 

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happy to help address ignorance :)

the charge ((which was false, because Christ is God)) against Jesus was blasphemy.
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I AM!”
At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
(John 8:58-59)

see also in particular Mark 14:62-64. Christ directly identifies Himself with YHWH

((re: Exodus. 13:21-22, Exodus 14:19-20, Exodus 14:24, Exodus 33:9, Psalm 78:14, Psalm 99:7, Exodus 34:5, Exodus 40:34-38, Numbers 9:15-22, Deuteronomy 31:15, 1 Kings 8:10-11, Ezekiel 10:3, Ezekiel 1:4, Ezekiel 1:28, Isaiah 4:5, Ezekiel 30:3, Joel 2:2, Nahum 1:3, Zepheniah 1:15, Isaiah 19:1, 2 Samuel 22:12, Job 22:14, Psalm 68:34, Psalm 104:3, etc etc))


the Law is clear:
Anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death.
The entire assembly must stone them.
(Leviticus 24:16)



if it were anyone other than God enfleshed who made these statements, it would be blasphemy.
the leaders of the Jews were very zealous and scrupulous, and very well studied in the Law & prophets. they immediately recognized what Christ was claiming.

but they did not believe Jesus is who He is.
Sorry, I do not believe it is right for one person, or a group of people, to take the life of another. Neither do I think the commandment to kill our fellow human beings came from the "Word made flesh."
 

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Fear God, and keep His Commandments'... -
Most do not know what "the Law" is. Here is the law scattered through the Torah. There are 613 laws. Maimonides is credited with creating this list after careful study of the Torah. The list is divided into the do's and don'ts. It is then subdivided into who and where they apply.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments
 
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Most do not know what "the Law" is. Here is the law scattered through the Torah. There are 613 laws. Maimonides is credited with creating this list ....
That is right Maimonides not GOD. 613 is his number not GOD's. GOD did not compile the list contained in the Sefer Hamitzvot Maimonides did.

His list is a fail from the start. Though the Law mentioned is sound the Scriptural reference for it is a fail. If anything can be drawn from the citing of 20:2 it is that Yahweh is our Deliverer. Though it is true; No where does it even imply that he is the only source of power in the universe.

1. Believe in Yahweh as the Only Source of Power in the Universe. (Exo_20:2)

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
(Exo 20:2)
 

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That is a lot of information that is assumed. I think he was a Good Pharisee, more zealous for the religious traditions of their religion than most. It does make sense for God to pick someone who was so knowledgeable of this religion that Jesus rejected.

Not all Pharisees were "a stuffed shirt" as I have said many times. Zechariahs was a "Godly Jew". And I might note that he knew Jesus when He came, along with the "wise men", but the great majority of the Pharisees did not, including Paul. All their religious schooling and "knowledge" of the "Jews Religion" did nothing but teach them to murder innocent people who were just serving their God in truth and Holiness, including their own Messiah.

I don't know for sure what your point of this "schooling" is. It certainly didn't create "Godly Jews", this is a truth to be sure.

My point was to counter, what I believe to be, an insidious lie, a terrible belief that really sheds a false light on God and His Word's, and that is the teaching that the Pharisees were trying to "earn" Salvation by following God's Commandments "to the letter". Those who promote this teaching use Philippians to support it. But in doing so, they must first omit or reject all Paul and Jesus and the Prophets said about the "Levite Priests" who had corrupted His word so bad. This lie has lead to many other untruths about God's Word, and of course it would. "A little leaven, leavens the whole lump".


I do agree with your point about Paul only discarded the man made religious traditions and doctrines but not the instructions of the Word which became Flesh. I think that the truth about the scriptures were so foreign to the Mainstream Preachers of that time because they had corrupted it so badly. The truth, which Zechariahs knew, was lost to the "Many" who came in God's Name. They thought the "truth" was a lie. I think it is the same way today with many religious franchises and that is why Jesus warned us so many times about religious folks deceiving people.

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
Talk about assume you take the cake!! You assume that Jesus lied about the whole earth seeing Jesus return and it happened only in the spirit world in 70AD. That is a huge whopper assumption. Jesus lied!!!
 

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Fear God, and keep His Commandments'... -
amen


placed in context with earlier in the book

I know that there is*nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good in one’s lifetime
 

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i didn't take it out of context.
in fact i went to length to explain how important the context is!
read it again.

the context is 'good' things according to human judgement of righteousness: circumcision according to the commandment. direct descendancy from Abraham. zeal for the house of God. blamelessness with regard to the righteousness of the Law.

you, dude, are just simply ignoring what the Bible says, because you have created your own imagination of what you think it should say; your own human tradition that you clearly hold in higher esteem than what God actually says. Law means Law.

want to talk about "out of context" ?
we're talking about Philippians ch. 3, so you took random verses from from 4 other books, without even mentioning that they are other books, and inserted your own opinions right into the middle of them. and on that flimsy basis, slandered me, once again.
You have your religion.

I am sticking to the Word's of the Bible. I think you are being dishonest to imply the if I placed the book and chapter in front of God's Word you would suddenly believe them. It never worked before.

I stand by the post. I don't believe you can take 1/2 of one sentence, and use it to erase volumes of other scriptures which expose your religious doctrines as from man and not from God.

It is simply a lie to say Paul was this obedient Jew walking in all the Commandments of God Blameless, when he clearly taught and understood that the religion he followed, before conversion, was a false religion based on the imaginations of man, and not from God..

If you can't accept these simple truths because doing so exposes your religion, then I think God would want man to change their religious doctrines, to change their mind, not erase, omit, change, or ignore His Word.

There are some things that are just Biblical Facts. Abraham obeyed God Commandments. Jesus is the Word which became Flesh who created God's Instructions. The Pharisees, including Paul before his conversion, were not following God's Commandments, they were following the Commandments of men.

No amount of wrangling, omissions, sermons, twisting, dishonesty, there is nothing you can do to erase these Biblical facts.

Why you would want to is something you should reflect on, in my opinion.