Loss of salvation.

[CS1]

the concept of OSAS is not even what John Calvin preached. He spoke on holiness just as much as God elect if not more.
The osas doctrine has changed to something even John Calvin would call error Biblically. Elitist. "osas, hyper grace, no need to ask forgiveness" , are all false narratives, and a bunch of one liners created by those who are Biblically illiterate. They chop part of the word of God to establish a few verses. They do not practice proper exegeses. Nor do they have the authorial intent. It’s a bunch of skubala, that causes doubt of salvation, doubt of relationship with God and unfounded in the full context of the Word of God. error by a bunch of self-proclaimed theologians

 

[PennEd]

Osas has been, is, and will continue to be a derogatory term for those that believe in eternal security.

The correct term should be- Once Born again, ALWAYS born again!

 

[mailmandan]

Osas has been, is, and will continue to be a derogatory term for those that believe in eternal security.

The correct term should be- Once Born again, ALWAYS born again!

Or "Preservation of the saints" (Psalms 37:28; Jude 1:1). I believe in eternal security of the BELIEVER, but I don't believe in eternal presumption. Not everyone who claims to be a believer truly is a believer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the concept of OSAS is not even what John Calvin preached. He spoke on holiness just as much as God elect if not more.
The osas doctrine has changed to something even John Calvin would call error Biblically. Elitist. "osas, hyper grace, no need to ask forgiveness" , are all false narratives, and a bunch of one liners created by those who are Biblically illiterate. They chop part of the word of God to establish a few verses. They do not practice proper exegeses. Nor do they have the authorial intent. It’s a bunch of skubala, that causes doubt of salvation, doubt of relationship with God and unfounded in the full context of the Word of God. error by a bunch of self-proclaimed theologians

See here we go again,

if asking forgiveness is required, then failure to ask forgiveness means loss of salvation.

the very hypergrace people your judging here, claim we do not need to ask forgiveness to maintain salvation, but everyone of them will demand we are to confess our sins to god,

hence our discussion in another thread. Which you just now gave me the third reason i needed to ask the questions i did. Based on the lie that people say we are not required to ask forgiveness, at all, when reality states they believe we do not Need to ask every time we sin to maintain salvation. But we do need to confess our sins to god

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Osas has been, is, and will continue to be a derogatory term for those that believe in eternal security.

The correct term should be- Once Born again, ALWAYS born again!

I'm sure those who choose to refuse the fact God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life

would also refuse the fact that if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us

or the fact that all the Father have given Him He will in no wise cast out
that He will lose nothing
and everyone who sees and believes on Him is saved and will be raised up on the last day



which ever term those who disregard these truths use to describe brothers and sisters im Christ who accept them would end up as a derogatory term

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Osas has been, is, and will continue to be a derogatory term for those that believe in eternal security.

The correct term should be- Once Born again, ALWAYS born again!

I think it comes from a hatred for calvinistic thinking, since OSAS seems to be linked to calvin, it must be condemed,

 

[CS1]

See here we go again,

if asking forgiveness is required, then failure to ask forgiveness means loss of salvation.

the very hypergrace people your dlamming claim we do not need to ask forgiveness to maintain salvation, but eveyone of them will demand we are to confess our sins to god,

hence our discussion in another thread. Which you just now gave me the third reason i needed to ask the wuestions i did. Based on the lie that people say we are not required to ask forgiveness, at all, when twality states they believe we do. Ot need to ask every time we sin to maintain salvation.

There you go again with a false Narrative. No one has said if you fail to ask forgiveness you lose your salvation. That is your assumption. You read into the statement of what was said and come up with these false narratives. And you know I have not said that which is even foulest.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There you go again with a false Narrative. No one has said if you fail to ask forgiveness you lose your salvation. That is your assumption. You read into the statement of what was said and come up with these false narratives. And you know I have not said that which is even foulest.

Your argument was based on hypergrace teaching that we do not have to ask forgiveness.

their argument is we do not have to ask forgiveness to stay saved.

so by defult in your argument, it does, whether you believe one loses salvation or not, your judging a group of people who say they do not believe we have to ask forgiveness of every sin after we are saved to maintain salvation. Thus if they are wrong with what they really believe, (which you are judging them for) then loss of salvation has to be the context.

again, i pray you think and reason why people say they things they do and not just assume.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here for all to see, i am sick of this hypergrace lie, based on a cut up wuote from joseph prince over a year ago, that has been refuted many times. People want to argue against hypergrace, and then get mad when they are questioned in the context of what thwy claim hypergrace believers. (or JP who is the father of the term) have supposedly said.

here is a quote from JP himself,

[FONT=&quot]People have said to me, “Pastor Prince, I was taught that only my past sins—from the day I was born until the day I became a Christian—have been forgiven, and that my future sins are not forgiven until I confess them and seek forgiveness.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]My friend, when Jesus died on the cross, how many of your sins were future?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Unless you are more than 2,000 years old, all your sins were future then! Jesus took them all upon Himself, nailed them to the cross and declared, “It is finished!” So if you are not forgiven of all, then you are not forgiven at all.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“You mean Jesus also died for the sin that I have just committed?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yes![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“And also for the sins which I will commit?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yes! That is why He said, “It is finished!”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]But many of us are inconsistent in our believing. One part of us says, “God has forgiven me of all my sins.” But another part says, “Yes, but I must still confess my sins to be forgiven of them.” Are you like that?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Beloved, you are forgiven not because of your work of confession. Your confession cannot wash away your sins. You are forgiven because of the blood of Jesus shed for you. His blood alone cleanses you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You cannot believe that you are forgiven of your past, present and future sins, and still think that there is something for you to do to make that forgiveness complete. If you do, then it becomes your work too, not Jesus’ alone.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Is there a place for confession of sins? My friend, if you have just sinned, you can always tell God about it without feeling condemned because you know that you already have forgiveness and that Jesus was condemned in your place. But you don’t confess your sins to God in order to be forgiven. You already have total and complete forgiveness because of the blood of Jesus![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]© Copyright Joseph Prince, 2008–2018
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[FONT=&quot]All rights reserved under International Copyright Law. Contents may not be reproduced in whole or in part in any form without the express written consent of the author.
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3 points to ponder

1. the argument is against those who claim we have to confess or we will lose salvation (the sin will not be forgiven)
2. the argument states, we do not have to confess to maintain salvation, it does not state we never have to confess our sins to god,
3. The argument says we are free to go to the throne room of Christ and confess our sins without fear, because they have already been forgiven (based on grace, and i will add pauls words. We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of sound mind, and where we can go boldly to our abba father because we have been given not a spirit of fear, but of adoption.

people want to argue against WOF aspect of hypergrace, thats one thing,

but to lie about what they actually believe about the gospel, then try to hide it when questioned, i think we need to talk with god and ask why we can do things like this without any hesitation and without any moral shame

 

[joefizz]

man, your just a joefizz, those people are crazy!

Just a Joefizz?
Well now I feel offended,I'm "The Joefizz" hahaha hahaha hahaha!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just a Joefizz?
Well now I feel offended,I'm "The Joefizz" hahaha hahaha hahaha!

thats what they all say

 

[joefizz]

Time travel has been accomplished by Joefizz in Miscellaneous forum.(I'm not kidding)

 

[CS1]

Your argument was based on hypergrace teaching that we do not have to ask forgiveness.

their argument is we do not have to ask forgiveness to stay saved.

so by defult in your argument, it does, whether you believe one loses salvation or not, your judging a group of people who say they do not believe we have to ask forgiveness of every sin after we are saved to maintain salvation. Thus if they are wrong with what they really believe, (which you are judging them for) then loss of salvation has to be the context.

again, i pray you think and reason why people say they things they do and not just assume.

wrong both hyper grace and the idea to ask forgiveness to maintance salvation are both two sides from the same coin . unbiblical and not supported by the word of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

wrong both hyper grace and the idea to ask forgiveness to maintance salvation are both two sides from the same coin . unbiblical and not supported by the word of God.

lol. Please, show me what JP said that was wrong i posted it for you, can you show me where he was wrong?

You said if we do not ask forgiveness we will not lose salvation, what makes what you said any different tham him? He said the same thing

 

[eternally-gratefull]

wrong both hyper grace and the idea to ask forgiveness to maintance salvation are both two sides from the same coin . unbiblical and not supported by the word of God.

By he way, how can asking forgiveness to maintain salvation, and the opposite believe that we do not need to ask to maintain salvationtwo sides from the same coin, i mean really? They are opposites!

 

[CS1]

By he way, how can asking forgiveness to maintain salvation, and the opposite believe that we do not need to ask to maintain salvationtwo sides from the same coin, i mean really? They are opposites!

again false Narrative never said asking forgiveness is to MAINTAIN salvation. you innerject that into the thread. Still waiting for one Biblical verse

Here is a another one for you. 1John 1 :9

 

[eternally-gratefull]

again false Narrative never said asking forgiveness is to MAINTAIN salvation. you innerject that into the thread. Still waiting for one Biblical verse

Here is a another one for you. 1John 1 :9

I did not ask about what you believed, i asked about what hypergrace teaches, which you said was two sides of the same coin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You have joseph prints own words, can you show the chatroom where he got it wrong since you judged him

Can you back your claims or not?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have to go help a friend, but i will be back, i pray you actually showed how they are two sides of the same coint, and show where Joseph Prince (hypergrace) got it wrong. I have hope

 

[Cee]

I believe when God said we would be reborn, He meant it. And we are reborn in righteousness and true holiness. But we are growing in discovering who we are in Christ. Holy Spirit is continually teaching us who He is and in the process we rediscover the image we were made in.