GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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PS said:
God saves the vilest sinner.


If only people could see themselves as others see them, or better still as God sees them.
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Yes IF ONLY ! but they will once they become obedient to the Word of God and receive HIS Spirit...THEN they will see themselves through GOD's eyes as they truly are !
 
beta said:
Yes IF ONLY ! but they will once they become obedient to the Word of God and receive HIS Spirit...THEN they will see themselves through GOD's eyes as they truly are !
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load of garbage. we receive the Spirt when we BELIVEVE in the name of the Son. then, we grow more obedient as we walk with Him and read the Word.

but, you think you have to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved. you think it is up to you to keep yourself saved. dead wrong. God saves us, we do not save ourselves , certainly not by keeping the Law of Moses.

Titus 3.
 
gb9 said:
load of garbage. we receive the Spirt when we BELIVEVE in the name of the Son. then, we grow more obedient as we walk with Him and read the Word.

but, you think you have to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved. you think it is up to you to keep yourself saved. dead wrong. God saves us, we do not save ourselves , certainly not by keeping the Law of Moses.

Titus 3.
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The carnal man, without the Spirit, cannot see or understand the things of the Spirit. Catch 22; He must begin the work, not me

Praise Him!
 
gb9 said:
load of garbage. we receive the Spirt when we BELIVEVE in the name of the Son. then, we grow more obedient as we walk with Him and read the Word.

but, you think you have to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved. you think it is up to you to keep yourself saved. dead wrong. God saves us, we do not save ourselves , certainly not by keeping the Law of Moses.

Titus 3.
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Yeah the law of Moses was for conviction of sin,now we have the Holy spirit to convict us.
 
gb9 said:
load of garbage. we receive the Spirt when we BELIVEVE in the name of the Son. then, we grow more obedient as we walk with Him and read the Word.

but, you think you have to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved. you think it is up to you to keep yourself saved. dead wrong. God saves us, we do not save ourselves , certainly not by keeping the Law of Moses.

Titus 3.
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Where did I ever claim the law of Moses to save me/us ? you have some strange ideas you then ascribe to me...don't do it !
since when is the Sabbath jewish ? does not GOD say it is HIS HOLY DAY ??? Lev 23...or are you denying ? the impudence of some is astounding !
 
gb9 said:
load of garbage. we receive the Spirt when we BELIVEVE in the name of the Son. then, we grow more obedient as we walk with Him and read the Word.

but, you think you have to keep the jewish Sabbath to be saved. you think it is up to you to keep yourself saved. dead wrong. God saves us, we do not save ourselves , certainly not by keeping the Law of Moses.

Titus 3.
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Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is a perverted gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise. ​

By the deeds of the law shall no flesh be justified (Galatians 2:16).
 
beta said:
Where did I ever claim the law of Moses to save me/us ? you have some strange ideas you then ascribe to me...don't do it !
since when is the Sabbath jewish ? does not GOD say it is HIS HOLY DAY ??? Lev 23...or are you denying ? the impudence of some is astounding !
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the impudence is saying that " when did I say keeping the Law saves, ", then quotes Lev. 23, given to Israel only at Sinai, as something that Christians are supposed to keep, when were never commanded to do so.

the constant attempt to make ancient Judaism and Christinaity the same thing. yes. impudence.
 
posthuman said:
And chosen in Him before the foundation of the cosmos.

It's about trust in Him :)
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So where are all these Believers who trust in Him from the start, are always obedient and never sin ??? Rom 3...they don't exist from before the foundation ! God sure chose those who would become obedient but they were not so from birth or they would be without choice and freewill.
 
beta said:
So where are all these Believers who trust in Him from the start, are always obedient and never sin ??? Rom 3...they don't exist from before the foundation ! God sure chose those who would become obedient but they were not so from birth or they would be without choice and freewill.
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He came to save sinners, not perfectly obedient and sinless people who don't even need redemption.
 
PS said:
The trouble is, Satan is the god of this world, we can see wickedness all around us, in the meantime God has provided a way of escape for all who believe and follow him in righteousness, until such time as Satan is destroyed.

If Satan is a lion, who is JUDAH?

If Satan is a lion who is Jesus? (Rev 5:5-6)

You appear confused.
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very funny,if you actually "read the bible" you would notice many outstanding "simalarities" in symbolism regarding Jesus and satan,like the symbol of lion is used for both yet the lamb is only used regarding Jesus.
They both are known symbolically as "princes" and "rulers" yet satan is known eventually as prince of darkness while Jesus is later known as "King of Kings" instead of the "prince of light",you might wanna consider "doing your homework" instead of "presuming" or "provoking" with questions.
 
gb9 said:
the impudence is saying that " when did I say keeping the Law saves, ", then quotes Lev. 23, given to Israel only at Sinai, as something that Christians are supposed to keep, when were never commanded to do so.

the constant attempt to make ancient Judaism and Christinaity the same thing. yes. impudence.
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no the law does not save but being obedient to God will. ISRAEL consisted of a 'mixed multidude....so they would all hear GOD giving the 10 Commandments personally. Why do you still make a distinction between people when ''in Christ we are all ONE ??? and ONE law applies to all !!!
 
beta said:
no the law does not save but being obedient to God will. ISRAEL consisted of a 'mixed multidude....so they would all hear GOD giving the 10 Commandments personally. Why do you still make a distinction between people when ''in Christ we are all ONE ??? and ONE law applies to all !!!
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hmm quite a point actually because God does give the command to accept Jesus or perish...
 
posthuman said:

liberate te ex inferno??


He must change us.
our self will doesn't save us. our self will chooses evil, unless He remakes us.
we must be changed

So then it depends not on human will or exertion,
but on God, who has mercy.
(Romans 9:16)​
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Sure it is GOD who changes us but we must want it and agree to it...it works 2 ways or He would be forcing it against our will. To say we can't or must not lift a finger is incorrect....how can He teach us if we don't respond ? We are walking a fine line when learning to obey because we must refrain from making our own decisions....all we have to do is what we are told, no more no less...not easy for someone who has been indoctrinated with satans selfwill.
Jesus is our perfect example , HE says and does only what His Father tells Him !!! that's how we must be !
 
beta said:
Sure it is GOD who changes us but we must want it and agree to it...it works 2 ways or He would be forcing it against our will. To say we can't or must not lift a finger is incorrect....how can He teach us if we don't respond ? We are walking a fine line when learning to obey because we must refrain from making our own decisions....all we have to do is what we are told, no more no less...not easy for someone who has been indoctrinated with satans selfwill.
Jesus is our perfect example , HE says and does only what His Father tells Him !!! that's how we must be !
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Easier "said" than "done" even David "failed",but yep we must accept Jesus and allow him to guide our actions.
 
joefizz said:
hmm quite a point actually because God does give the command to accept Jesus or perish...
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not quite sure what you mean. Jesus kept the Commandments so if we accept Jesus we accept the Commandments....it's not a question of one OR the other...they go together.
 
beta said:
not quite sure what you mean. Jesus kept the Commandments so if we accept Jesus we accept the Commandments....it's not a question of one OR the other...they go together.
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Well the ones he writes on our hearts anyways.
 
joefizz said:
Easier "said" than "done" even David "failed",but yep we must accept Jesus and allow him to guide our actions.
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Well said !!! and this is when His mercy and forgiveness come in to help us in our failures and weaknessess ! I think we are learning and that is a good thing !
 
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