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you inow what you do when you assume dont you? Well you just made yourself one.
I mention works all the time, to believers who i am helping disciple, in my trachings when i teach when the topic comes up, when we talk about how a christian should walk.
So again, get off your high horse thinking you know it all, you know not much my friend, about me, or about those you apose!
I have no problem with works
i have problems with legalism, and taking works out of context, i have problems with self rightious people trying to shove works down peoples throats saying you better do them or you will lose salvation.
You have been duped like your budies being taught that people who teach grace believe certain things they do not believe, and refuse to get on your inees and admit you have made a mistake believing the nonsense.
I mention works all the time, to believers who i am helping disciple, in my trachings when i teach when the topic comes up, when we talk about how a christian should walk.
So again, get off your high horse thinking you know it all, you know not much my friend, about me, or about those you apose!
I have no problem with works
i have problems with legalism, and taking works out of context, i have problems with self rightious people trying to shove works down peoples throats saying you better do them or you will lose salvation.
You have been duped like your budies being taught that people who teach grace believe certain things they do not believe, and refuse to get on your inees and admit you have made a mistake believing the nonsense.
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Your to focused on self and what you should and shouod not do. Thats your problem.
Your riht, we shouod not be arguing over this, you should agree serving people is how we find victory, that it is more blessed than to recieve, and worrying about how good we are should not even cross pur minds, because it takes our focus off others and puts it back on self, the flesh.
Hebrews 9:27-28 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ
was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time,
not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING for him.
Romans 8:24-25 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all.
Who hopes for what he already has? But IF WE HOPE FOR WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE
YET we wait for it patiently.
2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For
WHAT IS SEEN IS TEMPORARY, but WHAT IS UNSEEN IS ETERNAL.
THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO CLAIM TO HAVE ALREADY POSSESSED
ETERNAL SALVATION. DO THEY NO LONGER WAIT FOR THE LORD TO BRING THEM
SALVATION SINCE THEY ALREADY POSSESS IT? ARE THEY NOT GOING TO FACE
JUDGMENT ANYMORE?
Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have already OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY BEEN
MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting
what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward THE GOAL to win the
prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are MATURE
should take such a view of things. And if on some point YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, that too
God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have ALREADY ATTAINED.
1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving THE GOAL OF YOUR FAITH, the SALVATION of your
souls.
SALVATION IS THE GOAL OF THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM, THE CHURCH
WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.
OSAS IS A FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES THE WORD OF GOD.
Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it
is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They
worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the
commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them:
“YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to
observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man
says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me
is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that
you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.”
JESUS SAID;
“If you love me, you will obey what I command.” john 14:15
…” If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”matthew 19:17
“ Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me
will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not
Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we
will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my
teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” john
14:21-24
THIS FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS JUST A
WORK THAT MAN CAN DO BUT HAVE NO PART, NEITHER ESSENTIAL NOR NECESSARY
FOR SALVATION WHICH CONTRADICTS THE FF:
Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with
loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of
his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
and, once made perfect, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO
OBEY HIM.
A QUOTE FROM ElAmor’s POST
2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH,
just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command
but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love:
that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning,
his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the
DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for,
but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in
the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both
the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED
WORK.
Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF
CHRIST?
They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are
ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own
words. says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and
Faith ALONE saves.
Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?
They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is
WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in
the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in
the flesh.
1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin,
we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is
the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I
KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS
NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is
how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.””””””””
WE ARE TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION NOT AS INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR HIS
OWN SALVATION BUT AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST(eph 4:1-16) WORKING AS GOOD AND
FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD(mat 25:14-30) WHO ARE LIVING ACCORDING TO THE
SPIRIT AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.(rom 8:1-17) WE HONOR AND
GLORIFY GOD BY THESE WORKS OF LOVE, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE THAT BEARS
GOOD FRUITS THAT WILL LAST..(john 15:6-17)
Luke 3:9 the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good
fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”
1 Peter 1:3-7 Praise to God for a living hope Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a LIVING HOPE through the
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil
or fade—kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the SALVATION THAT IS READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME. In this you
greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though
refined by fire—may be PROVED GENUINE and may result in praise, glory and honor when
Jesus Christ is revealed.
2 Peter 1:5-11 For this very reason, make every effort to ADD TO YOUR FAITH goodness; and
to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and
to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness,
love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being
INEFFECTIVE and UNPRODUCTIVE in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone
does not have them, he is nearsighted and BLIND, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed
from his PAST SINS. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling
and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a
rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I
know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up!
Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in
the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT
AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at
what time I will come to you.
Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what
he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap
destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes
from
God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for
himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there
is nothing false about him.
Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.
“DEAD FAITH CANNOT SAVE” ))james 2:14-26)
“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR” rom 3:4
was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time,
not to bear sin, but TO BRING SALVATION to those who are WAITING for him.
Romans 8:24-25 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all.
Who hopes for what he already has? But IF WE HOPE FOR WHAT WE DO NOT HAVE
YET we wait for it patiently.
2 Corinthians 4:18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For
WHAT IS SEEN IS TEMPORARY, but WHAT IS UNSEEN IS ETERNAL.
THERE ARE SOME ON THIS FORUM WHO CLAIM TO HAVE ALREADY POSSESSED
ETERNAL SALVATION. DO THEY NO LONGER WAIT FOR THE LORD TO BRING THEM
SALVATION SINCE THEY ALREADY POSSESS IT? ARE THEY NOT GOING TO FACE
JUDGMENT ANYMORE?
Philippians 3:12-16 NOT that I have already OBTAINED all this, or have ALREADY BEEN
MADE PERFECT, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting
what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward THE GOAL to win the
prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are MATURE
should take such a view of things. And if on some point YOU THINK DIFFERENTLY, that too
God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have ALREADY ATTAINED.
1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving THE GOAL OF YOUR FAITH, the SALVATION of your
souls.
SALVATION IS THE GOAL OF THOSE WHO ARE WAITING FOR HIM, THE CHURCH
WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST OF WHICH HE IS THE SAVIOR.
OSAS IS A FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES THE WORD OF GOD.
Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it
is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They
worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’ You have let go of the
commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them:
“YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to
observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,
‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man
says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me
is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. THUS YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that
you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.”
JESUS SAID;
“If you love me, you will obey what I command.” john 14:15
…” If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”matthew 19:17
“ Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me
will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not
Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we
will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my
teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.” john
14:21-24
THIS FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINE TEACHES THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD IS JUST A
WORK THAT MAN CAN DO BUT HAVE NO PART, NEITHER ESSENTIAL NOR NECESSARY
FOR SALVATION WHICH CONTRADICTS THE FF:
Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with
loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of
his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered
and, once made perfect, he became the source of ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO
OBEY HIM.
A QUOTE FROM ElAmor’s POST
2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children WALKING IN THE TRUTH,
just as the Father COMMANDED US. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command
but one we have had FROM THE BEGINNING. I ask that we love one another. And this is love:
that we WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning,
his command is that you WALK IN LOVE. Many DECEIVERS, who do not acknowledge Jesus
Christ as COMING IN THE FLESH, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the
DECEIVER and the ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for,
but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who RUNS AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE in
the TEACHING OF CHRIST does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both
the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him SHARES IN HIS WICKED
WORK.
Who are those RUNNING AHEAD and DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THE TEACHING OF
CHRIST?
They are those who CLAIM SALVATION is by Faith ALONE and ONCE SAVED they are
ALWAYS SAVED therefore rejecting God’s Laws and commands which are in fact God’s own
words. says that even obedience to God cannot save anyone because they are works and
Faith ALONE saves.
Who then is the deceiver and the ANTICHRIST?
They are those who do not continue in the teaching about WALKING IN LOVE which is
WALKING IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. Who do not acknowledge Jesus as coming in
the flesh by the mere fact that they reject the LAW that prophesied about Jesus as coming in
the flesh.
1 John 2:1-6 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin,
we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is
the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. THE MAN WHO SAYS, “I
KNOW HIM,” BUT DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS
NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is
how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him MUST WALK AS JESUS DID.””””””””
WE ARE TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION NOT AS INDIVIDUALS WORKING FOR HIS
OWN SALVATION BUT AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST(eph 4:1-16) WORKING AS GOOD AND
FAITHFUL SERVANTS OF GOD(mat 25:14-30) WHO ARE LIVING ACCORDING TO THE
SPIRIT AND NOT ACCORDING TO THE SINFUL NATURE.(rom 8:1-17) WE HONOR AND
GLORIFY GOD BY THESE WORKS OF LOVE, FAITH AND OBEDIENCE THAT BEARS
GOOD FRUITS THAT WILL LAST..(john 15:6-17)
Luke 3:9 the ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good
fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”
1 Peter 1:3-7 Praise to God for a living hope Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a LIVING HOPE through the
resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil
or fade—kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the SALVATION THAT IS READY TO BE REVEALED IN THE LAST TIME. In this you
greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.
These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though
refined by fire—may be PROVED GENUINE and may result in praise, glory and honor when
Jesus Christ is revealed.
2 Peter 1:5-11 For this very reason, make every effort to ADD TO YOUR FAITH goodness; and
to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and
to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness,
love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being
INEFFECTIVE and UNPRODUCTIVE in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone
does not have them, he is nearsighted and BLIND, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed
from his PAST SINS. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling
and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a
rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I
know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but YOU ARE DEAD. Wake up!
Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have not found your deeds complete in
the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT
AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at
what time I will come to you.
Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what
he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap
destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
John 7:17-18 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes
from
God or whether I speak on my own. He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for
himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there
is nothing false about him.
Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?
James 4:17 Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.
“DEAD FAITH CANNOT SAVE” ))james 2:14-26)
“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR” rom 3:4
