GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Studyman]

i think the Word which became Flesh,
speaking through hs ambassador Paul,

is saying
what was transitory,*
that which is done away,

clearly refers to a few sentences earlier

if the ministration of death,
written and engraven in stones,
was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away

I don't believe you understand this scripture. You seem to be using this one sentence to erase volumes of the Word's of the Christ which preach the opposite of you.

You preach God's Laws are transitory. Jesus said His Priesthood Changed, not His Laws. Jesus taught HIS Word's Last forever. As long as heaven and earth are here. Wasn't Moses a Levite Priest? Did Moses not die? Upon his death, was his glory done away? Was the Levite Priesthood done away?

How about our new High Priest? Did His Glory go away upon His death? Or was He raised from the dead?

 

[Endoscopy]

You have hit the nail on the head. Judaism is a series of "Do not's," "Do not do this" and "Do not do that." You might not kill your neighbour, but that is not to say you don't hate them in your heart.

Jesus made it harder and said to LOVE your enemy. The spirit of Christianity does more than embrace legalistic Judaism, it kills it like Chemotherapy kills cancer and this is why Judaism and the Jewish law is dead in the sight of God. Remember it was GOD who changed it, so don't argue with the LORD, instead submit yourself to Him and follow Him every step of the way, in word, thought and deed.

ROFL
It is obvious to the casual observer that you don't understand the law. It is filled with the do's and don'ts.

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
All 613 Commandments in the Old Testament Law of Moses

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

 

[Studyman]

I am hopeful that God will understand English (for all our sakes).

I don't think it's a matter of language. As He inspired Jeremiah to tell us.

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

 

[Endoscopy]

I don't believe you understand this scripture. You seem to be using this one sentence to erase volumes of the Word's of the Christ which preach the opposite of you.

You preach God's Laws are transitory. Jesus said His Priesthood Changed, not His Laws. Jesus taught HIS Word's Last forever. As long as heaven and earth are here. Wasn't Moses a Levite Priest? Did Moses not die? Upon his death, was his glory done away? Was the Levite Priesthood done away?

How about our new High Priest? Did His Glory go away upon His death? Or was He raised from the dead?

I agree. For those who need the words of Jesus on the subject of the law here is His quote. Everything hasn't been accomplished.

Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Salt awnd Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Dan_473]

I don't believe you understand this scripture. You seem to be using this one sentence to erase volumes of the Word's of the Christ which preach the opposite of you.

You preach God's Laws are transitory. Jesus said His Priesthood Changed, not His Laws. Jesus taught HIS Word's Last forever. As long as heaven and earth are here. Wasn't Moses a Levite Priest? Did Moses not die? Upon his death, was his glory done away? Was the Levite Priesthood done away?

How about our new High Priest? Did His Glory go away upon His death? Or was He raised from the dead?

no not just one sentence.
I have posted many, many verses on loads of posts

 

[posthuman]

Where a change in priesthood, of necessity a change in law.

Don't pretend you get around the law being changed because you accept that the priesthood has. The priesthood is established by law, so changing it is changing the law.

 

[posthuman]

BTW Aaron was priest, not Moses, who was mediator. Aarons priesthood? Established by God's covenant law.

Why is Levi no longer high priest?

 

[Dan_473]

I agree. For those who need the words of Jesus on the subject of the law here is His quote. Everything hasn't been accomplished.

Matthew 5:13 to 20 NIV
Jesus saying he came to fulfill the law and the prophets.

Salt awnd Light
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

those are the words of Jesus but not all of them
he spoke many more after his resurrection

through his apostles

 

[ELOHIMLOGOS]

Yes I answered you before but here is the same, it does not touch every issue but to be basic understanding using Scripture

To sum it up it is a day set apart for His will, now what that is can be different for every person every week. He guides, His path, His ways, His will...

Thankyou Shamah I must have missed your reply, as I mentioned earlier I agree with the OP already and the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10.

I guess what I was asking more is what people actually do (practically) to keep the sabbath as a Holy day. I know we are to rest and do no work. How do you keep the Sabbath? What can we do or not do? Or how does anyone else keep it as a Holy day according to the commandment? Thanks sorry for the slow reply. Not here that often

 

[Endoscopy]

those are the words of Jesus but not all of them
he spoke many more after his resurrection

through his apostles

Gee no kidding? Did he really speak more words? When did he do that? ROFL

The question is did He ever say anything opposed to the part of His speaking this to contradict it or ever make conflicting statements when placed in context.

 

[Dan_473]

Thankyou Shamah I must have missed your reply, as I mentioned earlier I agree with the OP already and the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10.

I guess what I was asking more is what people actually do (practically) to keep the sabbath as a Holy day. I know we are to rest and do no work. How do you keep the Sabbath? What can we do or not do? Or how does anyone else keep it as a Holy day according to the commandment? Thanks sorry for the slow reply. Not here that often

I keep it holy by whatever I do, in word or deed

doing it all in the name of the Lord

at least that's my goal

 

[Dan_473]

Gee no kidding? Did he really speak more words? When did he do that? ROFL

The question is did He ever say anything opposed to the part of His speaking this to contradict it or ever make conflicting statements when placed in context.

"When did he do that?"

here's an example

if the Spirit is leading you, you are not under the law.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians5&version=NCV

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

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[PS]

Thankyou Shamah I must have missed your reply, as I mentioned earlier I agree with the OP already and the Sabbath commandment is one of the 10.

I guess what I was asking more is what people actually do (practically) to keep the sabbath as a Holy day. I know we are to rest and do no work. How do you keep the Sabbath? What can we do or not do? Or how does anyone else keep it as a Holy day according to the commandment? Thanks sorry for the slow reply. Not here that often

I forget who said this, it wasn't Jesus but it was how he lived his life seven days a week including the Sabbath.

“DO ALL THE GOOD YOU CAN, BY ALL THE MEANS YOU CAN,
IN ALL THE WAYS YOU CAN, IN ALL THE PLACES YOU CAN,
AT ALL THE TIMES YOU CAN,
TO ALL THE PEOPLE YOU CAN,
AS LONG AS EVER YOU CAN.”​

 

[lightbearer]

Hello, I did ask this earlier but no one answered it at the time. I was just wondering if someone has the time to answer it now?

I have read the OP and agree with it. So could someone please tell me how we are to keep the 4th Commandment under the new covenant? Thanks for your advice in advance.

I am not interested in arguments thanks as I study Gods word for myself and know what I believe.

Thanks again for your time and wish everyone well.

When one experiences the Gospel rest they cease from their own work as GOD did from HIS on the Seventh Day in which GOD called the Sabbath. GOD was not ever a non Spiritual BEING as we are outside of Christ. For GOD is Spirit. So HE did not enter into some spiritual rest on the Seventh Day; HE is our rest in Christ Jesus. Hebrews four is a call to those experiencing the Gospel Rest to cease from their own work as GOD did from His. Which was done on the Seventh Day of the week; which is the Sabbath. Please follow along as break it in down Hebrews chapter 4.


For We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us (the people of the writers day and us) of entering into his rest (the Gospel), any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel (His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest (Do enter His Rest; the Gospel not some future event), as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Christ Jesus is our Life): although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (the Gospel Rest has been available since Eden)


4) For HE (GOD) spake in a certain place (the giving of the Commandments on Mt. Sinia) of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.


5,6) And in this place again, (GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) If they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life. The rest just mentioned that we do enter). Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein (the Gospel, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in (the Gospel) because of unbelief (obstinacy, obstinate opposition to the divine will)


If we receive the Gospel Rest in Christ, GOD is calling us to the Word that HE spoke of the Seventh Day on Mt Sinia. Above in verse five it says in this place again IF they shall enter my rest The Gospel I am calling them to my Seventh day Sabbath also. Two separate things. The Gospel Rest and the Seventh Day Sabbath. Our rest in HIM and HE in us enables us now to partake of the Seventh Day Sabbath's hallowedness. Israel could not do this due to their stiff neck hard hearted rebellion they refused the Gospel when Moses preached it. So since they never received GOD's Rest which which is the GOSPEL they never kept the Seventh Day Sabbath either. They profaned it.


7) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day (Now), after so long a time; as it is said, To day (now) if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.


Dabid's (beloved's) Word's though GOD where and are a call to repentance; GOD's Rest in Christ. For unto us was the Gospel (His Rest) preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


8) For (because of the word just shared in Psalm) if Jesus (Joshua leading them into Canaan) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day (constant call to the Gospel).


The leading them into the promise land was a symbol of what they already had available to them. After the forty years of roaming and seeing GOD's loving and guiding hand they were still only willing to receive the physical blessings and not the Spiritual; HIS Rest in Christ.


9) There remaineth (present tense) therefore a Sabbath keeping to the people of God.

This verse brings us back to verse 4 And in this place again, (GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) If they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life).


10) For he that is entered into his Rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


"As" is direct Comparison. There is no way around that. So it is A Ceasing from work like GOD did from HIS. It is the calling to those who entered in their rest (the Gospel rest in Jesus in GOD) to cease from their work AS GOD did. Remember verse five, "And in this place again, (GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) If they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life. The rest just mentioned that we do enter)."




GOD ceased from HIS PHYSICAL work on the Seventh Day. GOD is already and forever Spirit. So HE did not enter enter into any Spiritual rest we do. He is our Spiritual rest. So we in harmony with Christ and the FATHER cease from our work on the Seventh Day as HE did. The Day HE hallowed (set apart) and blessed.




So what are our instructions in regards to keeping the Sabbath?


Because we have received the Gospel; the new heart and mind through Christ Jesus; old things having passed away, all things being new and of GOD. We simply cease from our own works as GOD did from HIS. He simply rested from work on the Seventh Day; so we rest as HE did on the Seventh Day.

 

[Dan_473]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

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as it is written

The law is only an unclear picture of the good things coming in the future; it is not the real thing.*

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews10&version=NCV



[d]Sacrifice and meal offering You have not desired;
My ears You have*[e]opened;
Burnt offering and sin offering You have not required.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms40&version=NASB

 

[PS]

10) For he that is entered into his Rest (the Gospel), he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

"As" is direct Comparison. There is no way around that. So it is A Ceasing from work like GOD did from HIS. It is the calling to those who entered in their rest (the Gospel rest in Jesus in GOD) to cease from their work AS GOD did. Remember verse five, "And in this place again, (GOD speaks of the Seventh Day) If they shall enter into my rest (the Gospel; the rest we have when Jesus is our life. The rest just mentioned that we do enter)."

Because we have received the Gospel; the new heart and mind through Christ Jesus; old things having passed away, all things being new and of GOD. We simply cease from our own works as GOD did from HIS. He simply rested from work on the Seventh Day; so we rest as HE did on the Seventh Day.

God's work was done and he rested. When your work is done, is it fully completed yet? And did you do it in six literal days? Then you will be able to rest.

 

[Dan_473]

hi lightbearer,

' "As" is direct Comparison. There is no way around that. '

it can also mean
"to be of one's sort or class" as in Luke 18:11

I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.



or
"stands in close relation to what precedes" as in 1 Corinthians 10:7

Strong's Greek: 5618. ὥσπερ (hósper) -- just as, even as

 

[Studyman]

Where a change in priesthood, of necessity a change in law.

Don't pretend you get around the law being changed because you accept that the priesthood has. The priesthood is established by law, so changing it is changing the law.

I'm just going off what the Bible says.

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Jesus wasn't a Levite. The "Law" specifically appointed "Levites" only to the Priesthood. Jesus couldn't "Lawfully" inherit God's Priesthood unless this "Law" was changed.

The Command to Love God and Love others, and the instructions and examples on how to follow these commands, is still in effect as Jesus said.

Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I think it is wrong to just arbitrarily "ADD" to this change the Commands God gave that you don't like, don't understand or have judged as unworthy of your respect.

 

[Studyman]

BTW Aaron was priest, not Moses, who was mediator. Aarons priesthood? Established by God's covenant law.

Why is Levi no longer high priest?

I think Moses was a Priest, he gave Aaron the Priesthood, only a High Priest can do this. If you want to preach Moses wasn't a Priest, you go for it.

5 Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.6 Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the LORD, and he answered them.



Levi is no longer a priest because he corrupted the Priesthood.

Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, (Levite Priests) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: