And He is also the one that created everything.
He:
1) Plans
2) Creates
3) Preserves
Thats why He knows everything, because He created everything.
Grappling With Why God Allows Evil To Continue
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And He is also the one that created everything.
He:
1) Plans
2) Creates
3) Preserves
Thats why He knows everything, because He created everything.
Yes, He does not force us. He knows the choices we made because He has already seen them. He seen them because He knows the end from the beginning. He didn't make us make them, it was our choice, He has just already seen the choice we made.
people have to reason that if God did not give the opportunity for evil true love could not exist right? all evil is is choosing not to love God but instead to love ourself. its that simple.
put a bow on this post and wrap it up.
put a bow on this post and wrap it up.
You going near to dualism: God planned the good things, satan planned the bad things, we live in a mixture of it.
But satan was not with God. Satan was created by God. He is not His equal and he cannot change what God wants.
Satan is a part of God´s plan.
You were the one who used the term flawed in the post that was quoted of yours!
You did put it in quotation marks though, which gave me a clue that you were saying you would use the word but only because it was the best word you could think of at the moment. The quotation marks were your way of saying...this word isn't good enough to convey what I'm trying to say but I can't think of a better one right now.
Yes, I agree limited is a better word for what you meant to say!
You were the one who used the term flawed in the post that was quoted of yours!
You did put it in quotation marks though, which gave me a clue that you were saying you would use the word but only because it was the best word you could think of at the moment. The quotation marks were your way of saying...this word isn't good enough to convey what I'm trying to say but I can't think of a better one right now.
Yes, I agree limited is a better word for what you meant to say!
Yes, I used that term because I responded to your question where you used it. Quotation marks were a pointer to that use of yours.
Nothing in creation is "flawed" in a philosophical sense. Everything fits exactly where it is.
Not quite...a contingency plan is put in place in the event that something bad or unexpected may happen.
God knew it would happen.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It wasn't a contingency plan.
No one would give their sons life for a maybe. They would have to know it was the only way.
Good to see you this morning, haven't run across you for a little while.
Yes, I see.
Magenta seemed to me to be saying God created man to be against the Spirit. That because man was flesh, He was created striving against God.
So I asked: you think He created them flawed already? By which I meant: flawed= corrupted/fallen.
If, because of the material God used to create Adam, Adams flesh was striving against God from the beginning, that would be a design flaw, not a good plan!
Not quite...a contingency plan is put in place in the event that something bad or unexpected may happen.
God knew it would happen.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It wasn't a contingency plan.
No one would give their sons life for a maybe. They would have to know it was the only way.
Good to see you this morning, haven't run across you for a little while.
Good morning. Where have you been hiding?
I disagree with that translation of Revelation 13:8. This IMO makes more sense.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written from the foundation of the world in the slain lamb's book of life.
I have to go get stuff made for mothers day.
It's like an aerobic workout every morning with you guys!
Not complaining - you guys do such good for me by sharpening me. I'm grateful for you!
It's like an aerobic workout every morning with you guys!
Not complaining - you guys do such good for me by sharpening me.
I'm grateful for you!
I said no such thing. Man was created to be in fellowship with God, but man chose otherwise, which God knew man would do.
I haven't been hiding from you. Was hiding from EG.
Just kidding of course. Wouldn't hide from either of you.
To say the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world (to my understanding) just means that God could rest because it was all finished. There was not one thing that would happen that He hadn't already foreseen and accounted for. The plan was complete and would end just as He willed for it to.
Knowing man would rebel against walking according to His ways, God's plan from before the foundation of the world was to provide a way for man to be restored to fellowship with Him. We are reconciled to God not by or through the flesh, but by the Spirit, through the cross of Christ.
Okay, settle down there skippy.
I said what it seemed to me, at the time, someone was saying. I was very careful about the words I used because I did not want you to get hopped up with me.
It's like saying: when you say thus and thus, what I hear is thus and thus.
You were in no way being attacked by me and I was not putting words in your mouth.
I said: when magenta said thus and thus, it seemed to me she was saying thus and thus.
The turn of the conversation at that point was revolving around if adam was created with a tendency toward sin or not.
Not quite...a contingency plan is put in place in the event that something bad or unexpected may happen.
God knew it would happen.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It wasn't a contingency plan.
No one would give their sons life for a maybe. They would have to know it was the only way.
Good to see you this morning, haven't run across you for a little while.
Agreed. Except of the translation of this verse
Ah, ok, you mean "already infected by sin, evil" by the term "flawed".
I thought you mean just the fact that what is created, is limited and therefore prone to make errors, mistakes, sins and evil.
Agreed. Except of the translation of this verse
Ah, yes, I see that you and HRFTD don't like the translation. I never knew there was any controversy over the verse. (I don't get out much.)
I guess I had no struggle with it because I saw it as showing the attribute of foreknowledge. So I saw it as saying the cross and the Lamb slain on it was planned from the foundation of the world.
But I think you both are okay with saying it was Gods plan from the foundation of the world that the Lamb would be slain...?
I learned something valuable. When someone comes in on the conversation pages later and pulls up a post from way earlier, I no longer have a grasp on what the direction was way back then so I shouldn't comment unless I first review the persons post in the context of where we were. In fact, unless the person who pulls the old post up read the entire thread, they wouldn't have the context and know where everyones mind was at the time either, or even if the wrinkle was resolved afterwards. So it was valuable for me.
My "like" option was disappeared for a while, don't know why. I have to go so will have to "like" many posts and/or rep later on when I return.
Happy mothers day all. Love and bear with one another.
Happy mothers day all. Love and bear with one another.