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Amen! The rich young ruler confidently and (self righteously) declared that he has kept the commandments from his youth up and thought that he qualified for heaven under those terms. Yet Jesus knew the man's wealth had become his idolatrous god, which kept him from placing his faith in Jesus.
The rich young ruler missed the point that Jesus was making, failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued instead to trust in his riches (vs. 21-23). His face fell and he went away sad because he could not part from his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life. If keeping the commandments is the basis or means by which we receive eternal life, then why isn't this remark the pattern for all discussions concerning eternal life? Paul would have said to the jailer who asked, "what must I do to be saved?" by replying in Acts 16:31 - “keep the commandments and you will be saved,” yet that's not what Paul said.
Jesus knows the hearts of all men and responds to each individual a little differently because He knows where their need is. He didn't respond to the woman at the well, or to Nicodemus or to the rich young ruler the same way, yet the consistent pattern in scripture is salvation by believing in Him/grace through faith, not works (Acts 10:43; 16:31; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..).
The rich young ruler missed the point that Jesus was making, failed to place his faith in Jesus for salvation, and continued instead to trust in his riches (vs. 21-23). His face fell and he went away sad because he could not part from his great wealth, not even in exchange for eternal life. If keeping the commandments is the basis or means by which we receive eternal life, then why isn't this remark the pattern for all discussions concerning eternal life? Paul would have said to the jailer who asked, "what must I do to be saved?" by replying in Acts 16:31 - “keep the commandments and you will be saved,” yet that's not what Paul said.
Jesus knows the hearts of all men and responds to each individual a little differently because He knows where their need is. He didn't respond to the woman at the well, or to Nicodemus or to the rich young ruler the same way, yet the consistent pattern in scripture is salvation by believing in Him/grace through faith, not works (Acts 10:43; 16:31; Ephesians 2:8,9 etc..).
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Amen ....
I agree so important to know this because it sets the stage for understanding Jesus and His finished work on the cross, this rich man was focused on himself, we all know that we are not saved by trying to save ourselves.
This is a good day for a reminder (for me at least) on this so important truth!!
I agree so important to know this because it sets the stage for understanding Jesus and His finished work on the cross, this rich man was focused on himself, we all know that we are not saved by trying to save ourselves.
This is a good day for a reminder (for me at least) on this so important truth!!
Amen ....
I agree so important to know this because it sets the stage for understanding Jesus and His finished work on the cross, this rich man was focused on himself, we all know that we are not saved by trying to save ourselves.
This is a good day for a reminder (for me at least) on this so important truth!!
I agree so important to know this because it sets the stage for understanding Jesus and His finished work on the cross, this rich man was focused on himself, we all know that we are not saved by trying to save ourselves.
This is a good day for a reminder (for me at least) on this so important truth!!
all our thoughts should be on Him, taken captive by Him, and the works He has done, is doing and will do
then won't our own doing of His will naturally follow, if we do this, like practicing kung-fu, just doing, without needing to give it thought?
it's been on my mind for several days now too
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Good point,
while yes there is much automaticity that develops in the brain like reading or driving a car and kung-fu,
since the spiritual walk is spiritual I wonder if it is more about learning to work less by our own effort, humans are very prone to trying to work for salvation like the rich young man, and learning to rest more in Jesus, I feel like it is actually the opposite to how we acquire other skills in life.
When we rest in Him, abide in the vine, then we we start the good works that He meant for us to do, the trick is learning when we are drawing from His strength and grace and not our own.
while yes there is much automaticity that develops in the brain like reading or driving a car and kung-fu
, since the spiritual walk is spiritual I wonder if it is more about learning to work less by our own effort, humans are very prone to trying to work for salvation like the rich young man, and learning to rest more in Jesus, I feel like it is actually the opposite to how we acquire other skills in life.
When we rest in Him, abide in the vine, then we we start the good works that He meant for us to do, the trick is learning when we are drawing from His strength and grace and not our own.
mmhm!
all our thoughts should be on Him, taken captive by Him, and the works He has done, is doing and will do
then won't our own doing of His will naturally follow, if we do this, like practicing kung-fu, just doing, without needing to give it thought?
it's been on my mind for several days now too
all our thoughts should be on Him, taken captive by Him, and the works He has done, is doing and will do
then won't our own doing of His will naturally follow, if we do this, like practicing kung-fu, just doing, without needing to give it thought?
it's been on my mind for several days now too
what's really ironic is that in John 8, Studydude swears up and down that this woman caught in adultery was 100% repentant and went on to live 100% righteously obedient. but there, we aren't told a single thing about her other than that she was 100% guilty. she is not described in any way at all, and the only thing we hear from her is that she states the obvious fact "no one" when Jesus asks her if any of her accusers are still around.
to Studydude, she's a saint.
and John 8 is very likely a later addition to the text - but the rich young man is in 3 gospels.
so he praises a woman who is dragged before Jesus by her lawful accusers in a section of text that might be extra-Biblical.
but here's a man who obviously has faith that eternal life is in the Son, and he comes to Him looking for it, about whom the scripture specifically says "Jesus loved" and about whom Jesus expressly remarks "all things are possible with God"
this man, to Studydude, deserves nothing but hellfire.
weird, right?
and adding to the text in both cases what is not written there.
to Studydude, she's a saint.
and John 8 is very likely a later addition to the text - but the rich young man is in 3 gospels.
so he praises a woman who is dragged before Jesus by her lawful accusers in a section of text that might be extra-Biblical.
but here's a man who obviously has faith that eternal life is in the Son, and he comes to Him looking for it, about whom the scripture specifically says "Jesus loved" and about whom Jesus expressly remarks "all things are possible with God"
this man, to Studydude, deserves nothing but hellfire.
weird, right?
and adding to the text in both cases what is not written there.
As is your custom, you omit and reject important parts of the scriptures which shed light on the truth of the story.
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So what was their intent, righteous judgment of this woman, or conniving to trick Jesus? Do you preach Jesus didn't know this? Or is that "Adding" to the text?
Where was the man? Or in your religion, when two people fool around, only the woman is guilty ?
" . That is what I said.
Is it impossible for men in your religion to STOP cheating on their wife's or molesting little boys, or lining their pockets with other peoples money?
No post, it isn't God's instructions that is the problem, it is the people who reject them and create their own.
, really. They use this women to hurt and discredit Jesus and you call them "Lawful accusers". Well that explains a lot.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Would being convicted by ones own conscience cause grief, sorrow? Could the rich man also be convicted by his own conscience when Jesus pointed out he was in violation of the first and greatest commandment? Did any of these ask Jesus for help in discernment or understanding? Nope, nothing. They just left and nothing was heard of them again.
Mark 923 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.:
Now here is an example of someone who was truly seeking.
IOW
Yes, post is right, without any support from the text studydude assumes the woman caught in adultery and dragged before Christ was truly repentent and ceased from sin, yet contrary to the support of the text, he assumes the man who came to Christ willingly, believing that eternal life is found with Him, had no repentance at all and certainly did nothing other than continue in his sin.
Thanks for confirming everything i said about your ironic traditions.
Yes, post is right, without any support from the text studydude assumes the woman caught in adultery and dragged before Christ was truly repentent and ceased from sin, yet contrary to the support of the text, he assumes the man who came to Christ willingly, believing that eternal life is found with Him, had no repentance at all and certainly did nothing other than continue in his sin.
Thanks for confirming everything i said about your ironic traditions.
Can you not check your messages and edit accordingly before posting them? That might save you a lot of bother
Again you ignore the Apostles Creed is a doctrinal statement not a gospel message.
Here is the doctrinal statement of the Presbyterian PCA church. The Westminster Confession of faith. A long statement of doctrine.
Westminster Confession of Faith | Presbyterian Church in America: Administrative Committee
Here is the Methodist version.
BBC - Religions - Christianity: Methodist Church
Go to the site of any denomination and you can get their doctrinal beliefs that don't plead with the reader to become a Christian.
You obviously don't understand the difference between the gospel message and doctrinal statements.
The gospel message is a plead to others explaining how salvation is done while doctrinal statements outline what they believe about many issues.
Here is the doctrinal statement of the Presbyterian PCA church. The Westminster Confession of faith. A long statement of doctrine.
Westminster Confession of Faith | Presbyterian Church in America: Administrative Committee
Here is the Methodist version.
BBC - Religions - Christianity: Methodist Church
Go to the site of any denomination and you can get their doctrinal beliefs that don't plead with the reader to become a Christian.
You obviously don't understand the difference between the gospel message and doctrinal statements.
The gospel message is a plead to others explaining how salvation is done while doctrinal statements outline what they believe about many issues.
The 5 minute rule again.
The early church elders in the 200s created the Roman Creed. By 390 they updated it to the Apostles Creed. There were differences of opinion about many issues as well as heresies starting. The Apostles Creed was created to define the minimum beliefs that define who is and isn't a Christian. Anything outside it is agree to disagree. The differences of opinion were discussed inside of the church understanding they didn't impact that all were Christians. After the Reformation that created all of the diverse denominations were created over these diverse opinions about the side issues. But all adhered to the Apostles Creed as a statement of basic Christian doctrine.
It absolutely is a doctrinal statement not the gospel message. Where is the Apostles Creed wrong as a statement of basic doctrine?? That was the reason for its creation!!!
The early church elders in the 200s created the Roman Creed. By 390 they updated it to the Apostles Creed. There were differences of opinion about many issues as well as heresies starting. The Apostles Creed was created to define the minimum beliefs that define who is and isn't a Christian. Anything outside it is agree to disagree. The differences of opinion were discussed inside of the church understanding they didn't impact that all were Christians. After the Reformation that created all of the diverse denominations were created over these diverse opinions about the side issues. But all adhered to the Apostles Creed as a statement of basic Christian doctrine.
It absolutely is a doctrinal statement not the gospel message. Where is the Apostles Creed wrong as a statement of basic doctrine?? That was the reason for its creation!!!
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I tell you, and you ignore my personal experience. In the Church that I was raised in, all you had to do was intellectually in your head believe the Apostles Creed, and take up space on a PEW, and you were considered to be a real Christian. NO, that Theory, is Leading LOTS of People to HELL, thinking they are a SAVED CHRISTIAN. NO, inner. personal, Love Relationship with JESUS as your PERSONAL LORD and Master EQUALS NO SALVATION.
Don't you realize that Genuine BELIEVING is with your HEART, not with the human Brain that is found between your EARS?
Romans 10:10 (CSBBible)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses {Not just Professes that Jesus is my LORD, IT HAS TO BE THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR HEART} with the mouth, resulting in salvation.
And, VCO, if I may add that believing with one's heart is not the end of it.
Knowing in, &/or believing with, one's mind that Jesus is Lord and Savior of the world, & obedience to Him with one's will, are also necessary, I think, for said inner, personal, love relationship with Jesus, Whose Name is exalted above every other name. Total submission. Nothing less - to the best of our frail human ability, combined with His Strength. To do our part for Him, as He has done His for us.
Thanks!
Knowing in, &/or believing with, one's mind that Jesus is Lord and Savior of the world, & obedience to Him with one's will, are also necessary, I think, for said inner, personal, love relationship with Jesus, Whose Name is exalted above every other name. Total submission. Nothing less - to the best of our frail human ability, combined with His Strength. To do our part for Him, as He has done His for us.
Thanks!
And, VCO, if I may add that believing with one's heart is not the end of it.
Knowing in, &/or believing with, one's mind that Jesus is Lord and Savior of the world, & obedience to Him with one's will, are also necessary, I think, for said inner, personal, love relationship with Jesus, Whose Name is exalted above every other name. Total submission. Nothing less - to the best of our frail human ability, combined with His Strength. To do our part for Him, as He has done His for us.
Thanks!
Knowing in, &/or believing with, one's mind that Jesus is Lord and Savior of the world, & obedience to Him with one's will, are also necessary, I think, for said inner, personal, love relationship with Jesus, Whose Name is exalted above every other name. Total submission. Nothing less - to the best of our frail human ability, combined with His Strength. To do our part for Him, as He has done His for us.
Thanks!
No, and the LOVE for Jesus Christ, is ON GOING. It will never end.
When JESUS said " If you Love Me. . . ." in John 14:15; that you love is a Present Tense Verb. IT IS NOT LIKE THE ENGLISH PRESENT TENSE, it is a Verb that goes on forever. Loving Jesus as LORD, is a Godly kind of LOVE, and where did that love COME FROM?
At the moment our human spirit the Holy Spirit birthed our human spirit into Eternal Life, and at the same time HE Poured GOD's LOVE directly into our hearts.
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
The LOVE SEED, will PRODUCE an ongoing harvest of LOVING HIM BACK.
And, VCO, if I may add that believing with one's heart is not the end of it.
Knowing in, &/or believing with, one's mind that Jesus is Lord and Savior of the world, & obedience to Him with one's will, are also necessary, I think, for said inner, personal, love relationship with Jesus, Whose Name is exalted above every other name. Total submission. Nothing less - to the best of our frail human ability, combined with His Strength. To do our part for Him, as He has done His for us.
Thanks!
Knowing in, &/or believing with, one's mind that Jesus is Lord and Savior of the world, & obedience to Him with one's will, are also necessary, I think, for said inner, personal, love relationship with Jesus, Whose Name is exalted above every other name. Total submission. Nothing less - to the best of our frail human ability, combined with His Strength. To do our part for Him, as He has done His for us.
Thanks!
No, and the LOVE for Jesus Christ, is ON GOING. It will never end.
When JESUS said " If you Love Me. . . ." in John 14:15; that you love is a Present Tense Verb. IT IS NOT LIKE THE ENGLISH PRESENT TENSE, it is a Verb that goes on forever. Loving Jesus as LORD, is a Godly kind of LOVE, and where did that love COME FROM?
At the moment our human spirit the Holy Spirit birthed our human spirit into Eternal Life, and at the same time HE Poured GOD's LOVE directly into our hearts.
Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
The LOVE SEED, will PRODUCE an ongoing harvest of LOVING HIM BACK.
The fact your church didn't preach the gospel message all the time is caused by a secular minister. All of the top 7 protestant denominations have been taken over by secular ministers. Gary North wrote a book Crossed Fingers that documented the takeover of Presbyterian USA in 1932. The gospel is preached now in sub denominations. Presbyterian PCA and Missouri Synod Lutheran for example. Less than half of the population go to church and only a splinter ever hear the gospel message. At a special invitational evening service with fellowship after it I talked to a Lutheran man. He heard the gospel for the first time that evening. It opened my eyes to the problem and I learned about it quickly after reading Gary North's book.
Looks like you are just finding out about this issue. It is depressing about how many are being fed by the wolves in sheep's clothing. This used to be a Christian country but no longer.
Looks like you are just finding out about this issue. It is depressing about how many are being fed by the wolves in sheep's clothing. This used to be a Christian country but no longer.
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