Oh goody another OSAS thread!
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The thing about the highlighted portion of your post pertaining to a deep conviction of salvation is that one that is truly born again will not, in a practical sense, ever become an unbeliever. Even Jesus said that He will not lose a single one that His father has trusted in His care. It is the Holy Spirit that provides the deep conviction of salvation. I believe that this is what is spiritually referred to a 'blessed assured hope', otherwise you may live in constant fear of losing your salvation. How is it possible to lose your salvation that was provided and paid for already by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for the remission of sins? God is certainly not going to lose my salvation or anyone else's for that matter.
Jesus was also falsely accused. "Blessed are you when men falsely say all kinds of evil against you." You say you're on this side of it and that I'm on the other side, and I say the same about you. So on judgment day the Scriptures will prove one of us right. And in that judgement determination will be you admitting that God must be obeyed in order to be saved, whether you agree that you must obey after being saved or not in order to stay saved. Yet you also say obedience does not earn salvation. Therefore you yourself do understand that although obedience does not earn salvation, you must obey in order to be saved. Because obedience cannot earn salvation- that proves that you can obey and still receive grace as a gift. Obedience is God's deciding factor in whom He chooses to give grace.
The act of obedience that saves is choosing to believe the gospel, not to be confused with multiple acts of obedience/works which follow saving faith in Christ. The real difference between you and I is that I teach salvation by grace through faith, not works, and you teach salvation by faith “plus works” with a heavy emphasis on water baptism. Pointing out to you that you are incorrectly preaching the gospel is not the same as saying all kinds of evil about you, so no need to play the victim. I at one time had attended the church of Christ so I understand your confusion and how you try to “shoe horn” works “into” salvation through faith.
Agreed. So if it's not possible for a good tree to bear bad fruit, or a bad tree good fruit, then the question MUST be how to become a good tree, because once you ARE a good tree, you WILL bear good fruit.
So I reiterate. The importance is being born again, a good tree, then INTRINSICALLY you bear good fruit. Now the Lord will trim and prune the good tree, and that can be painful, but you will NEVER again become a bad tree.
So I reiterate. The importance is being born again, a good tree, then INTRINSICALLY you bear good fruit. Now the Lord will trim and prune the good tree, and that can be painful, but you will NEVER again become a bad tree.
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umm not
you have actually posted counter to hyper-grace in a number of threads
you have indicated that you are not in agreement with it
I think issues in this thread are becoming murky and people are just arguing for the sake of it a usual
I'm speaking generally and not individually to anyone
Joseph Prince is either the originator or close to the source, of this doctrine
there are many threads on the subject here at CC
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thing is, we are not supposed to be discussing but as there has been a run of op's by a certain someone who keeps posting from those who teach it, it's no wonder people are up in arms about again
this is just what created a mess some time back as one of the sticky posts indicates wherein we are told not to discuss it,
because of what follows
hg is not biblical and involves an entire movement away from biblical grace (as you know) and the understanding that believers have had ever since Paul wrote Romans John said we all have sin and if we say we do not, we are liars
I'm not writing this in particular to you HRFTD, but for those who either forget or seem to want to resurrect it again
it won't have a pretty ending and people will start reporting the hg threads and so they should
Outstanding question.
here is what I have observed over this topic :
1. only Christians debate this
2. both for it and against want to be right
3. neither do so to edify
4. it is doctrinial differnce of two groups that can support each position with scripture
5. most are not open to each others position
for some the OSAS is supreme teaching , as if John Calvin was John of the Gospel. LOl
here is what I have observed over this topic :
1. only Christians debate this
2. both for it and against want to be right
3. neither do so to edify
4. it is doctrinial differnce of two groups that can support each position with scripture
5. most are not open to each others position
for some the OSAS is supreme teaching , as if John Calvin was John of the Gospel. LOl
Bias is bias. Some teach against it because they believe Joseph Arminius and the catholic church are right.
For me the matter is settled. I have no desire to mock God and go forth and sin just to prove grace saves. I am saved by grace and seek to live righteously because my Savior is righteous. I am saved a desire to be like Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For me the matter is settled. I have no desire to mock God and go forth and sin just to prove grace saves. I am saved by grace and seek to live righteously because my Savior is righteous. I am saved a desire to be like Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Amen,, All these passages which tell us not to be slanderers. yet that is all we get.
As I have said a few times before.
the licentious call us legalists, because we confront sin and take it on head on.
The legalist call us free gracers (licentious) because we believe we are secure in Christ.
I think satan had it planned that way,, to keep people hidden in his lie.
As I have said a few times before.
the licentious call us legalists, because we confront sin and take it on head on.
The legalist call us free gracers (licentious) because we believe we are secure in Christ.
I think satan had it planned that way,, to keep people hidden in his lie.