is jesus Adam ?

[soberxp]

is jesus Adam ?

 

[blue_ladybug]

No, He wasn't.. and isn't..

 

[Noose]

No, why??

 

[Magenta]

The Apostle Paul tells us in his first letter to the church in Corinth, “The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven” (1 Corinthians 15:45-49).

Paul is here pointing out the difference between two kinds of bodies, i.e., the natural and the spiritual. Genesis 2:7 speaks of the first man, Adam, becoming a living person. Adam was made from the dust of the ground and given the breath of life from God. Every human being since that time shares the same characteristics. However, the last Adam or the “second Adam”—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit. Just as Adam was the first of the human race, so Christ is the first of those who will be raised from the dead to eternal life. Because Christ rose from the dead, He is “a life-giving spirit” who entered into a new form of existence. He is the source of the spiritual life that will result in believers' resurrection. https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-second-Adam.html

 

[blue_ladybug]

Because God created Adam long before Jesus was born to Mary...

 

[trofimus]

Yes, He is. The second one.

 

[soberxp]

what if jesus is both the first and the second ? cuz the first adam should be our "Dad" someting like that, who should given up his life for us ?

 

[trofimus]

what if jesus is both the first and the second ? cuz the first adam should be our "Dad" someting like that, who should given up his life for us ?

First Adam was from Earth and a sinner. Also, he was created.

Second Adam is from heaven and without any sin. Also, He was not created.

 

[Magenta]

 

[trofimus]

While I like the verse you posted, I must really fix the terribly wrong translation of the KJV.
The last Adam was not made. The word "made" is not even present in the verse at all.

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
(NIV - much better)

οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται Ἐγένετο [means "became"] ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ [missing the word] εἰς πνεῦμα ζωοποιοῦν.

 

[JGIG]

what if jesus is both the first and the second ? cuz the first adam should be our "Dad" someting like that, who should given up his life for us ?

Adam was a created man, Jesus is God in the flesh, Who pre-existed with/as God prior to Creation.

Adam is referred to in the New Testament as 'the first Adam', because he brought sin into the world, and all who are born, are born 'in Adam' and die.

Jesus is referred to in the New Testament as 'the Last Adam', because He was born of the Spirit and brought righteousness into the world, and those who believe in Him are born again into Christ, 'the Last Adam', and receive life:

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (from 1 Cor. 15)

45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven.49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man. (also from 1 Cor. 15)​

This passage in Romans also clarifies well the issue of the difference in the 'two Adams':

14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

15 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! 16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ! (from Rom. 5)​

I hope that helps you to sort it out .

-JGIG

 

[Nehemiah6]

what if jesus is both the first and the second ? cuz the first adam should be our "Dad" someting like that, who should given up his life for us ?

Are you trying to promote Mormon doctrine or just trolling? Trolling is a lot of fun for some.

 

[Magenta]

While I like the verse you posted, I must really fix the terribly wrong translation of the KJV.
The last Adam was not made. The word "made" is not even present in the verse at all.

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
(NIV - much better)

οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται Ἐγένετο [means "became"] ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ [missing the word] εἰς πνεῦμα ζωοποιοῦν.

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2 Cor 5:21 (NIV) Perhaps it is the way you interpret the word "made" which is in error. Jesus does not have to be a created Being to be "made" something for us

 

[soberxp]

Are you trying to promote Mormon doctrine or just trolling? Trolling is a lot of fun for some.

what is that ? mormon doctrine ,who has many wife ?

 

[soberxp]

While I like the verse you posted, I must really fix the terribly wrong translation of the KJV.
The last Adam was not made. The word "made" is not even present in the verse at all.

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
(NIV - much better)


οὕτως καὶ γέγραπται Ἐγένετο [means "became"] ὁ πρῶτος ἄνθρωπος Ἀδὰμ εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν· ὁ ἔσχατος Ἀδὰμ [missing the word] εἰς πνεῦμα ζωοποιοῦν.

if you think the verse should be adam was made and jesus was not made, so I would think what if jesus has made in the first adam and bacame second adam from death. if god can not do that,how we get saved ? right ? if i get saved ,i will be the" first and second"

 

[trofimus]

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2 Cor 5:21 (NIV) Perhaps it is the way you interpret the word "made" which is in error. Jesus does not have to be a created Being to be "made" something for us

1.
The context of 1Cor 15:45 is about origins ("Adam became living soul..."). Its not about making them to have some role.

Thats why the word "made" about Jesus is very inappropriate there. And thats probably why all other English translations avoided it.

2. In 2 Cor 5:21 is really in Greek the word "made". But this word is not in 1Cor 15:45, its simply wrong to put it there, anyway.

"τὸν μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν [made]" 2 Cor 5:21

 

[Magenta]

The context of 1Cor 15:45 is about origins ("Adam became living soul..."). Its not about making them to have some role.

Thats why the word "made" about Jesus is very inappropriate there. And thats probably why all other English translations avoided it.

Or, you could say it is about roles, not origins, for we know Christ is eternal.

NIV did not avoid it in the subsequent verse I provided

 

[trofimus]

Or, you could say it is about roles, not origins, for we know Christ is eternal.

His eternality is quite well expressed in Greek and in NIV:

"So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit." NIV

No word "made" is there.

 

[Noose]

1.
The context of 1Cor 15:45 is about origins ("Adam became living soul..."). Its not about making them to have some role.

Thats why the word "made" about Jesus is very inappropriate there. And thats probably why all other English translations avoided it.

2. In 2 Cor 5:21 is really in Greek the word "made". But this word is not in 1Cor 15:45, its simply wrong to put it there, anyway.

"τὸν μὴ γνόντα ἁμαρτίαν ὑπὲρ ἡμῶν ἁμαρτίαν ἐποίησεν [made]" 2 Cor 5:21

Nope, it's about their nature.

 

[trofimus]

Nope, it's about their nature.

Yeah, nature is a better word than origin.

But "Jesus is made sin for us" is neither about His nature nor about His origin, so, its a very different context.