Not By Works

[Katy-follower]

It is for the very parable that you quoted. The wheat and the tares parable is about good believers (the wheat) who are strangled and left dry and eventually fall to temptation (tares) and lose their gift. The parable of the sower is trying to tell you the same thing, that you can lose your gift if you fall amoung rocky soil and cannot put down roots strong enough to withstand the sun and you eventually whither and die and give up your gift.

Um, no... the wheat and tares represent believers and non believers. It even clearly states that the tares are sons of the devil. If you're not in Christ then you're in Adam, a son of disobedience, and the devil is your father. We continually see the two opposing sides mentioned throughout the scriptures... sheep & goats, narrow and broad road, Abel & Cain, etc.

The soils all represent the heart condition of a person. The parable is given specifically to believers, because it's concerning evangelism, so it's letting us know what to expect when sharing the gospel with the lost world.....

There will be hard hearts, like the Pharisees, like concrete where the truth will just bounce off of them and nothing gets through. The stony soil is the false convert that responds emotionally. They have a self love, and only want Jesus for what He can do for them, like blessings, etc. The thorny soil is the double minded person who wants Christ but they also want the world. This is like the Rich ruler (Matthew 19). Note the connection with the crown of thorns here too.

Each time I read about the thorny soil I can't help but think of the prosperity gospel, where they are saying you can have Jesus + the world. This is a lie. Jesus and thorns can't coexist. As we read here, just one of many....

James 4:4-5: "Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously?"

But we learn from it that the issue is the person's heart. Soil is naturally hard and has weeds and thorns, but God is the one that ploughs the soil. He is the one that draws them. John 6:44: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him"

 

[Katy-follower]

The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save him, but it showed or manifested that his faith was genuine.

Even going back to the beginning. Adam didn't name his wife straight away. She was always called "the woman". But after sin and death entered the world, and God promised to send a redeemer (seed of the woman), it was then that Adam decided to name her Eve "mother of all living"..... so clearly he believed God.

Also that when Eve gave birth to Cain (think he was the first born?) she first thought he might be the one God was sending.

 

[Katy-follower]

I'm just saying since it was Jesus that saved us, maybe we should listen to ALL His instructions and not just those which allow us our version of "freedom".

A perfect example of this is the scripture you use to support your freedom.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You missed that keyword "unrighteous". Those lifestyles are said to be engaged in continually by those who are not saved, because these people are of the world and have not been convicted of their sins.

You didn't include V11, which concludes it: "And such were some of you. But you (believers) were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God"

The distinction is made there. V11 addresses believers who have been made alive in Christ, who are no longer of the world. We're not sinless, but the point is that we don't have the same appetites that we did before we were saved. We've become new creatures in Christ.

The things we used to love, we now hate... and the things we used to hate, we now love!

 

[VCO]

Once one is born again, God doesn't accept returns of His gift.

Philippians 1:6 (NCV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] God began doing a good work in you, and I am sure he will continue it until it is finished when Jesus Christ comes again.


I have to wonder, do those who want to earn their Salvation, never ever feel GOD'S IN CONTROL OF THEIR LIVES? I let JESUS CHRIST take control of my life the night before New Year's Eve in 1977. I have never wanted to take control of it back from HIM, HE is doing a far greater job of running my life, than I ever did.

 

[LW97]

IS THE SAME AS, UNSAVED WILL NOT FORGIVE, HOWEVER SAVED WILL ALWAYS FORGIVE.

THE SAME AS, UNSAVED DO NOT HAVE GOD'S LOVE INSIDE OF THEM, WHILE THE SAVED ALWAYS LOVE THEIR BROTHERS AS GOD LOVES THEM, AND OUT OF THAT LOVE, HE HABITUALLY WILL LOVE GOD WITH OBEDIENCE.


John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.


THAT IS SAYING THAT IF YOU TRULY LOVE JESUS, YOUR LIFESTYLE WILL REFLECT THAT LOVE IN THE FORM OF OBEDIENCE; WHILE THOSE WHO ARE NOT BORN AGAIN, WILL NOT HAVE A CONTINUOUS LIFESTYLE THAT REFLECTS THAT LOVE.

No, we are NOT SINLESS, but our ongoing lifestyle is the one who continually strives to do what GOD commands, because you love HIM.

While the one NOT born again, will continually serves SELF by trying to make GOD feel OBLIGATED TO SAVE YOU.

There is a difference between sonship and fellowship. You can also be your parents' son without obeying them.

 

[benhur]

Philippians 1:6 (NCV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] God began doing a good work in you, and I am sure he will continue it until it is finished when Jesus Christ comes again.


I have to wonder, do those who want to earn their Salvation, never ever feel GOD'S IN CONTROL OF THEIR LIVES? I let JESUS CHRIST take control of my life the night before New Year's Eve in 1977. I have never wanted to take control of it back from HIM, HE is doing a far greater job of running my life, than I ever did.

Again and again, we do not believe that you can earn your way to our Salvation.

God has given us our free agency and so he will never put us on the end of a rope and become his puppets. If you sinner like me, then Jesus is not controling your life, otherwise it would be sinless. You run your life. You make the critical decisions, but now you have Jesus as a go to God and the HG to help you with your decisions, and you are doing a far better job than you ever have. Good going, and may Jesus continue to be with you.

 

[benhur]

You missed that keyword "unrighteous". Those lifestyles are said to be engaged in continually by those who are not saved, because these people are of the world and have not been convicted of their sins.

You didn't include V11, which concludes it: "And such were some of you. But you (believers) were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God"

The distinction is made there. V11 addresses believers who have been made alive in Christ, who are no longer of the world. We're not sinless, but the point is that we don't have the same appetites that we did before we were saved. We've become new creatures in Christ.

The things we used to love, we now hate... and the things we used to hate, we now love!

That is a sign of a person that is truely born again. There are several signs of a truely born again person.

1) their appetites change. What they used to enjoy that was unrighteous, they now hate. What they used to not enjoy that was of a righteous nature they now love. Good sign.

2) they are much more inclined to good works. Before you are saved, you could pretty much care less about other people, you were the center of your life and it is you that you took care of first. Now as a born again, other people and their peace and comfort are more interesting to you and you are willing to give of yourself to take care of Jesus's needy people.

3) you pray more and ponder more and read the bible more and the spirit it with you so you do things differently now.

These signs follow those that are born again and saved in the KOG.

 

[Seohce]

Matthew 21:28-32 The Parable of the Two Sons “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and WORK today in the vineyard.’ “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went. “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go. “Which of the two did what his father wanted?” “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

IT IS ONE THING TO SAY AND CLAIM AND ANOTHER THING TO DO AND WALK THE TALK.

1 John 3:18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

1 Corinthians 4:18-20 Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

 

[Seohce]

Titus 3:5 He saved us not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Ghost,

THE RIHTEOUSNEßS OF THE JEWS WAS THROUGH THE LAW.

Deuteronomy 6:24-25 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, THAT WILL BE OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.”

THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRISTIANS (NEW CREATION/MAN) IS THROUGH FAITH.

Romans 9:30-32 What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, A RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT IS BY FAITH; but ISRAELl, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it NOT BY FAITH but as if it were by works. THEY stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”

“NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAD DONE" REFERS TO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE JEWS WHICH WAS THROUGH THE LAW. (titus 3:5, eph 2:8-9)

PAUL’S QUESTION IS:

Romans 3:31 Do we, then, NULLIFY the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

HE ALSO SAID,

Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith NULLIFY God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”

GOD PUTS AND WRITES THE LAW IN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS.

Hebrews 8:10 This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”

...NOT JUST TO THE JEWS WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE FLESH BUT ALSO TO THOSE WHO WERE CIRCUMCISED IN THE HEART.

Romans 2:28-29 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise is not from men, but from God.

AND CHRISTIANS ARE ABLE TO FULFILL AND UPHOLD THE LAW IN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS BECAUSE OF THE LOVE THAT WAS POURED INTO THEIR HEARTS.

Romans 5:5 And hope does not disappoint us, because GOD HAS POURED OUT HIS LOVE INTO OUR HEARTS by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.

AND THERFORE, “LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.”(romans 13:10)

1 John 3:16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers.

1 John 5:2-3 This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

2 John 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE; THAT WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.

1 John 3:18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH.

Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be FULLY MET IN US, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

Matthew 10:38 and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.



John 14:15 “IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL OBEY WHAT I COMMAND.”

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

 

[dcontroversal]

Interesting so I only post the words of the Messiah.. HIS WORDS ONLY...

and you accuse me...



end of story indeed... Seems you don't like or agree with what the Messiah taught, as you spout on and on about things never stated by me as if to use them in manner of proof of guilt or falsehood.

His words... His words... He is the King... He is the Judge.... He is the Messiah...

satan hates those who do both:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]and possessing the Witness of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]

Keep thinking you keep the law or that it helps maintain salvation....you have a rude awakening coming one day....

 

[dcontroversal]

Philippians 1:6 (NCV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] God began doing a good work in you, and I am sure he will continue it until it is finished when Jesus Christ comes again.


I have to wonder, do those who want to earn their Salvation, never ever feel GOD'S IN CONTROL OF THEIR LIVES? I let JESUS CHRIST take control of my life the night before New Year's Eve in 1977. I have never wanted to take control of it back from HIM, HE is doing a far greater job of running my life, than I ever did.

They state clearly that the Jesus they follow is not the Jesus of the bible...their Jesus is weak, inept and a liar incapable of keeping his word and or promises....regardless of what they peddle.....

My bible is clear...

Saved eternally by faith with no works attached to gain it
Kept by the power of God
Jesus begins, finishes and competes the work of faith in us
Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption
Eternal life means exactly that....!

 

[benhur]

Keep thinking you keep the law or that it helps maintain salvation....you have a rude awakening coming one day....

Why does he have a rude awakening one day. If you are going to err, you err on the side of good works. So Shamah has received the HG and been born again, which by your theology, he is saved. Now if he believes that good works are good to do, what will get in his way of being saved. Is God going to say, you were saved, but did too many good works in my name, I will send you to hell. Not.

Just remember, according to gracers, Shamah is saved, having been born again and saved. So what if he does a few good works for the road.

 

[Seohce]

They state clearly that the Jesus they follow is not the Jesus of the bible...their Jesus is weak, inept and a liar incapable of keeping his word and or promises....regardless of what they peddle.....

My bible is clear...

Saved eternally by faith with no works attached to gain it
Kept by the power of God
Jesus begins, finishes and competes the work of faith in us
Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption
Eternal life means exactly that....!

...AND THAT YOUR JESUS WAS "CURSED". THAT HE WAS UNDER THE LAW THAT WAS NOT MADE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS.

DO YOU ALSO CONSIDER HIM A WORKS SALVATIONIST, A WORKER FOR, A LAWYER AND A PHARISEE?

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

 

[Seohce]

...AND THAT YOUR JESUS WAS "CURSED". THAT HE WAS UNDER THE LAW THAT WAS NOT MADE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS.

DO YOU ALSO CONSIDER HIM A WORKS SALVATIONIST, A WORKER FOR, A LAWYER AND A PHARISEE?

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

New International Version 1984 John 14:15-31 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. “All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold on me, but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.

 

[Seohce]

...AND THAT YOUR JESUS WAS "CURSED". THAT HE WAS UNDER THE LAW THAT WAS NOT MADE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS.

DO YOU ALSO CONSIDER HIM A WORKS SALVATIONIST, A WORKER FOR, A LAWYER AND A PHARISEE?

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

2 John 1:4-11 It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us. And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

 

[Seohce]

Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
They state clearly that the Jesus they follow is not the Jesus of the bible...their Jesus is weak, inept and a liar incapable of keeping his word and or promises....regardless of what they peddle.....

My bible is clear...

Saved eternally by faith with no works attached to gain it
Kept by the power of God
Jesus begins, finishes and competes the work of faith in us
Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption
Eternal life means exactly that....!


...AND THAT YOUR JESUS WAS "CURSED". THAT HE WAS UNDER THE LAW THAT WAS NOT MADE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS.

DO YOU ALSO CONSIDER HIM A WORKS SALVATIONIST, A WORKER FOR, A LAWYER AND A PHARISEE?

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

John 8:42-47 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

 

[Seohce]

They state clearly that the Jesus they follow is not the Jesus of the bible...their Jesus is weak, inept and a liar incapable of keeping his word and or promises....regardless of what they peddle.....

My bible is clear...

Saved eternally by faith with no works attached to gain it
Kept by the power of God
Jesus begins, finishes and competes the work of faith in us
Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption
Eternal life means exactly that....!

Titus 1:15-16 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted. They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good.

New International Version 1984 Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel.

 

[dcontroversal]

Why does he have a rude awakening one day. If you are going to err, you err on the side of good works. So Shamah has received the HG and been born again, which by your theology, he is saved. Now if he believes that good works are good to do, what will get in his way of being saved. Is God going to say, you were saved, but did too many good works in my name, I will send you to hell. Not.

Just remember, according to gracers, Shamah is saved, having been born again and saved. So what if he does a few good works for the road.

Another flawed view....why err at all.....and what you guys do not comprehend is the simple truth....water down faith with works or some false law keeping drivel FOR OR TO KEEP SALVATION = a false gospel with no power to save and ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES<---Depart from me you workers of iniquity for I NEVER KNEW YOU

 

[dcontroversal]

...AND THAT YOUR JESUS WAS "CURSED". THAT HE WAS UNDER THE LAW THAT WAS NOT MADE FOR THE RIGHTEOUS.

DO YOU ALSO CONSIDER HIM A WORKS SALVATIONIST, A WORKER FOR, A LAWYER AND A PHARISEE?

Matthew 19:16-26 The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

We been over this road...the bible is clear regardless of your false religion and or ability to be honest with Galatians and JESUS BECOMING A CURSE FOR US.....go read it and get right....

 

[Seohce]

We been over this road...the bible is clear regardless of your false religion and or ability to be honest with Galatians and JESUS BECOMING A CURSE FOR US.....go read it and get right....

CAN YOU PROVIDE SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS JESUS WAS “CURSED" ASIDE FROM PAUL’S? I DON’T MEAN THAT HE HIMSELF CALLED JESUS “CURSED" BUT ONLY THOSE WHO TEACH A GOSPEL OF ANOTHER KIND WHICH IS NO GOSPEL AT ALL.

Galatians 1:8-9 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!

WHATEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SAYS TO THOSE WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW.(rom 3:19). IT WAS CREATED BY GOD FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF.

1 Timothy 1:9-11 We also know that LAW IS MADE NOT FOR THE RIGHTEOUS but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and LIARS and perjurers—and for whatever else is CONTRARY TO THE SOUND DOCTRINE that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

OUR LORD DID NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF UNDER THE LAW WHEN HE SAID;

John 15:25 But this is to fulfill what is written in THEIR Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’

THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH".

1 Corinthians 15:55-57 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

“BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US" MEANS “ BY DYING FOR US" SINCE THE CURSE OF THE LAW IS “DEATH”, AND THE GOSPEL CLEARLY SAYS THAT CHRIST DIED FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS(JUSTIFICATION).

NOWHERE IN THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST TELLS US THAT “HE WAS CURSED” FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS.

JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND THAT WORD IS GOD.(john 1:1-3 & 14) GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY, THE ALMIGHTY LIVING GOD, THE CREATOR, LAW GIVER AND THE JUDGE(james 4:12) AND NO ONE CAN JUDGE OR CURSE HIM OR CALL HIM “CURSED".

Galatians 3:10,13 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who DOES NOT CONTINUE TO DO everything written in the Book of the Law.”

“Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law BY BECOMING A CURSE FOR US, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”



1 Corinthians 2:10-16 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man’s judgment: “For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

PAUL CLEARLY DESCRIBED WHO ARE THOSE HE CONSIDERED “CURSED”;

Galatians 3:10 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”

UNDERSTANDING THE ABOVE VERSE WILL BRING US TO THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING OF THE FF: VERSE;

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

WE SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT THE LORD JESUS IS THE “WORD THAT BECAME FLESH" AND ACCORDING TO JOHN “THE WORD IS GOD". (john 1:1-3 & 14)

GOD IS THE SUPREME BEING AND AUTHORITY WHO CREATED THE LAW FOR MAN AND NOT FOR HIMSELF SO WHAT IS MAN TO CALL HIM “CURSED"?

WHO AMONG BELIEVERS WOULD QUESTION GOD’S VULNERABILITY TO CURSES OR WHATEVER EVIL ACTS AGAINST HIM? ...PETER EXPLAINS IT BETTER;

2 Peter 3:14-18 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are HARD TO UNDERSTAND, which IGNORANT and UNSTABLE people DISTORT, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the ERROR of lawless men and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.


1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL.

Hebrews 10:26-29 If we DELIBERATELY keep on sinning after we have received the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD under foot, who has TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?

.. GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED…

...LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR…

John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and THE TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.