GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Dan_473]

I disagree. I love to do the studies, really dig into the Word. Also, since the Book is so large and spans so many centuries, I find it beneficial to make a point using multiple scriptures which show a certain point is agreed upon by not only one scripture, but by many. This guards against furthering a doctrine which may be exposed as untrue if other scriptures regarding the same topic is used.

I find a lot of things about a topic in the Bible if I research it using the whole Bible and not just a verse or two which might look like it defends a certain belief I have or was born into.

I especially like Shamah's, LB,s and Mail Man Dan's posts because they work to make a point using more than just one liners so I am able to really sink my teeth into their religion, or their religious belief. This lets the Bible teach me, instead of me using short one liners to promote a religious tradition that other scriptures might bring into question. It also shows more clearly how one foundational error can influence a whole religion. I am convinced this is why the Bible says to "Study" to show oneself approved as opposed to just taking a man's word for something so important as Salvation.

I personally like to print them and work on them in my spare time. Good medicine in my opinion.

that's cool if you like long posts

for me, they make it hard to navigate through the page on a small screen

I'm fine doing lengthy studies
but it's great if they can be broken up into small sections

i find it a real bummer if the long post appears to be copy pasted from somewhere else

why not simply post the url?

like this
The Project Gutenberg Ebook of Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John

 

[Endoscopy]

I called them Canaanites because that is what they were and that is what they are today, they live in the land of Canaan, that makes them Canaanites. Jacob changed his name to Israel and they became known as Israelites, but they still live in the land of Canaan.

If I change my name I will always be English, nothing will change my country of origin, not even if I live abroad and come back. Whatever they call themselves they were in Canaan originally and they are in Canaan now and will be forever Canaanites. Changing their tribal name to Israel changes nothing.

God changed his name to Israel. His father Abraham was born in Ur of the Chaldees. You ignore this. Abraham traveled to the promised land that was named Israel later and has that name today. Canaanites were the original inhabitants of the area and God commanded they be killed after the Israelites entered the promised land. Thus you ignore who the real Canaanites were.

 

[Endoscopy]

In recent history the antisemitic people have been referring to Israel as Canaan in order to insult the Jews. That is an ancient name of the area. Are you one of those? How about we call England Beakerland after the early inhabitants of it. They were there before the Celts. Or how about Celtland instead.

 

[PS]

Gen_11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.

Gen_15:7 And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

Then, many years later Moses went in and destroyed them.

God changed his name to Israel. His father Abraham was born in Ur of the Chaldees. You ignore this. Abraham traveled to the promised land that was named Israel later and has that name today.

Please apologise for falsely accusing me.

Canaanites were the original inhabitants of the area

Including Abram.

and God commanded they be killed after the Israelites entered the promised land.

Thereby breaking the 6th commandment, which is evidence they were NOT following the God of the commandments.

Thus you ignore who the real Canaanites were.

They were the descendants of Abram who were as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore.

 

[PS]

In recent history the antisemitic people have been referring to Israel as Canaan in order to insult the Jews. That is an ancient name of the area. Are you one of those? How about we call England Beakerland after the early inhabitants of it. They were there before the Celts. Or how about Celtland instead.

It always was Canaan, it got changed to Israel after Jacob changed his name to Israel. The name has stuck after everyone was exterminated.

I am not one of those you speak of, but I do like things to be correct. You have to be like that in electronics and I was in the trade for 41 years and had to upgrade from valves to transistors, from transistors to integrated circuits, from analogue to digital, and from cable to Sky. I upgraded, now it is your turn to move from the Old Testament and into the New Testament. You need to leave the Old that God changed. Leave it behind, and move into God's New Heavenly Promised Land. The earth will be destroyed.

You can call England what you like for me, it is still the same piece of land. The same goes for Canaan.

By the way Canaan has been invaded many times and I was reading the people who live there today are not the people of the Bible. They were overcome by invaders who simply adopted the religion. This is from memory by the way, so I wouldn't swear to it without seeing it again.

 

[MarcR]

TMS is an Adventist but I am NOT convinced that Shamah is at all - he should clarify, but I think he is Hebrew Roots!
Just saying....

You are correct on that.

 

[Endoscopy]

Please apologise for falsely accusing me.


Including Abram.


Thereby breaking the 6th commandment, which is evidence they were NOT following the God of the commandments.


They were the descendants of Abram who were as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore.

He was a Chaldeen Dippidy Doo!!! When the original pilgrims came here they were Englishmen. Going into Colonial times they were Englishmen. The Revolutionary War made them Americans.

Go take a long walk on a short pier!!

 

[MarcR]

for anyone interested in answering

does Sampson kill or murder here

does the spirit lead him to these actions?

Judges 14: 19. The Spirit of the Lord came mightily on him, and he went down to Ashkelon, and struck thirty men of them, and took their spoil, and gave the changes [of clothing] to those who declared the riddle. His anger was kindled, and he went up to his father's house.

Acts of war are by definition not murder; especially when commanded by God.

 

[MarcR]

"If you are led by the Spirit, which is imprinted on our hearts, you wouldn't do anything unlawful."

then a common response is
"is working on the Sabbath unlawful?"

Not for NT believers, especially non-Jewish NT believers.

 

[MarcR]

yes, that's my thinking too

the spirit did lead Jesus to work on the Sabbath

thus breaking the commandment, at least the letter of it.

I think not. Jesus obeyed all points of the law so that He could take our penalty upon Himself.

Jesus simply corrected the definition of 'working' on the Sabbath. Working for personal gain is prohibited; but, working to help someone in need is not.

 

[MarcR]

hello, prove-all

imo, you didn't directly answer Jackson's question.

the issue isn't Did Paul keep the Sabbath

it's Did Paul tell the gentle congregations to keep it?

"Should we Do what Paul did?"

No. Paul lived "as under the law" to help convert those who are under the law (referring to observant Jews, i believe)

This is precisely my reason for observing the Sabbath. I want to maintain a witness in the Jewish community.

 

[MarcR]

i see

i think Jesus is just referring to the bread and wine because

1 Corinthians 11: 20. When therefore you assemble yourselves together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat. 21. For in your eating each one takes his own supper first. One is hungry, and another is drunken. 22. What, don't you have houses to eat and to drink in? Or do you despise God's assembly, and put them to shame who don't have? What shall I tell you? Shall I praise you? In this I don't praise you. 23. For I received from the Lord that which also I delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night in which he was betrayed took bread. 24. When he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "Take, eat. This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in memory of me."

this seems to be happening every time that church assembled

not just once a year

The association of the bread and wine with the Last Supper is purely coincidental!

The true association is with Numbers chapters 28 and 29 where the proper meat (meal) offering and drink offering required to sanctify each animal sacrifice is given. The intent is to take something of the world (the animal) and make it suitable for God's use.

During the Babylonian captivity, when animal sacrifice stopped, the only offering the people had to offer was their worship.

At the beginning of the Sabbath, on Friday night, a kiddush' (partaking of unleavened bread and wine) was observed in the Synagogue to sanctify the offering of worship.

When Jesus said: 1 Cor 11:26
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come;

He knew exactly how often it was done: Every Friday evening at the opening of Sabbath worship, on the evening preceding every new moon, and on the evening before each of the Levitical Sabbaths of Lev 23.

When the Lord said: Matt 26:26-27
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

He was NOT instituting something new; but was explaining the true significance of an established practice.

 

[Cee]

I find it interesting that Jesus say's there is no other greater commandment than the Royal two.

Mark 12:28And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.30And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’31The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

And Paul says the same thing here:

Galatians 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.

What is the Law of Christ?

Galatians 6:2 Carry one another's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the Law of Christ.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law because His grace and love for us allows us to love one another.

 

[PS]

He was a Chaldeen Dippidy Doo!!! When the original pilgrims came here they were Englishmen. Going into Colonial times they were Englishmen. The Revolutionary War made them Americans.

Go take a long walk on a short pier!!

And if the Americans waged war on the English, they would be killing their kith and kin the same as Moses did.

 

[MarcR]

i think it just means that Jesus told the 12 one thing at one point and then said But now take that purse and wallet

so we can consider the possibility that the Israelites lived one way in the desert receiving manna from heaven
but we live a different way in the modern western countries

In our time purse and wallet have very similar meanings; but in 17th century English a purse was for carrying money; and a wallet was for carrying food.

 

[Dan_473]

Acts of war are by definition not murder; especially when commanded by God.

sounds like your answer then is Yes, the spirit does lead him to these actions

the conclusion i draw from the story is that sometimes the spirit will lead someone to do something we
might consider strange


another interesting story

So Saul went to Naioth at Ramah. But the Spirit of God even came on him. He walked along and prophesied until he came to Naioth.*24*There he took off his clothes. Then he also prophesied in front of Samuel. He lay there without his clothes on all that day and night.*

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Samuel+19&version=NIRV

 

[Dan_473]

Not for NT believers, especially non-Jewish NT believers.

yes, I agree

 

[Dan_473]

I think not. Jesus obeyed all points of the law so that He could take our penalty upon Himself.

Jesus simply corrected the definition of 'working' on the Sabbath. Working for personal gain is prohibited; but, working to help someone in need is not.

well, Jesus said that

on the Sabbath the priests in the temple*[c]break the Sabbath and are innocent

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew12&version=NASB

so I would say that Jesus breaks the rule but is considered innocent

an interesting related question would be
what do you do if in order to keep one rule, you must break another?

 

[Dan_473]

This is precisely my reason for observing the Sabbath. I want to maintain a witness in the Jewish community.

Amen to that!

 

[Dan_473]

In our time purse and wallet have very similar meanings; but in 17th century English a purse was for carrying money; and a wallet was for carrying food.

ah, good to know!