GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[PS]

I suppose you know better that one who walked with the Messiah and learned from His teaching, and was one of His 3 main disciples of the 12 disciples...

1 Yahanan /John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”

Also I find it telling that you do not touch on the Scriptures I posted.

Jesus told us to keep HIS commandments by which he means the injunctions of faith, love, and obedience. John never uses “the law” to express the rule of Christian obedience: only when he speaks of the Mosaic law.


Jesus said, “If ye keep MY commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (Joh 15:10)

 

[lightbearer]

Of course the 4th commandment is done away with - it is part of a covenant to which New covenant believers are NOT obligated to...

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In other words...
All the Commandments are done away with? So feel free to kill, commit adultery, worship other gods, steal; etc....?

Oh wait they are mentioned in the New Testament so they are still a active power through the Spirit in a Christians life; but the rest of the Law isn't?

So bestiality is ok according to your wisdom? It is not mentioned in the New Testament. As are quite a few that many here would adamantly proclaim are still part of our life in Christ.

 

[beta]

Loners as far as people go, yes

3 John 1: 9. I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 10. Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

in order for that to make sense, there must have been a physical presence to a church that someone could be cast out of




14. Greet the friends by name.

Gaius has friends, i assume Christian friends
i think that's a good thing

Yes everything starts with physical and hopefully progresses to spiritual....2000 years later we hope to see progress !Joh 4v24.
We should meet 'in person if we can but it's no longer the only way....the world and people have got so bad you may have to go a very very long way to find 'like-minded.

 

[ELOHIMLOGOS]

If you are New covenant believer then you keep the Sabbath every minute of every day...

Hello nice to meet you. I read the thread OP here and agree with what is said.

I cannot find in the bible where it says the sabbath is every min unfortunately even in Heb 4.

All I can find is that the sabbath is the seventh day of the creation week that we are to keep holy to God as the fourth commandment of the ten commandments.

Can anyone tell me how do we keep the sabbath or fourth commandment in the new covenant? I know that no business or uneccessary work is to be done. I am trying to understand how others might follow it.

Thanks again in advance. I am not interested in an argument at all with anyone.

Thank you all.

 

[PS]

In other words...
All the Commandments are done away with? So feel free to kill, commit adultery, worship other gods, steal; etc....?

Oh wait they are mentioned in the New Testament so they are still a active power through the Spirit in a Christians life; but the rest of the Law isn't?

So bestiality is ok according to your wisdom? It is not mentioned in the New Testament. As are quite a few that many here would adamantly proclaim are still part of our life in Christ.

Jesus told us to keep HIS commandments. He never commanded us to do the above.

 

[graceNpeace]

In other words...
All the Commandments are done away with? So feel free to kill, commit adultery, worship other gods, steal; etc....?

Oh wait they are mentioned in the New Testament so they are still a active power through the Spirit in a Christians life; but the rest of the Law isn't?

So bestiality is ok according to your wisdom? It is not mentioned in the New Testament. As are quite a few that many here would adamantly proclaim are still part of our life in Christ.

You are always good for a giggle...

However it is very sad that you believe that a New covenant believer has to be EXPLICITLY told NOT to sin....
But, then, your world is all about legalism so perhaps I should not be surprised!

Nonetheless, your argument: that without the Torah everyone must automatically devolve into antonomianism is without foundation.
Instruction to New covenant believers is full of ethical and moral directive, including reiteration of nine of the ten commands fro the decalogue minus the command to observe the Sabbath, but the most important is what Paul calls "the Fruit of the Spirit". And he explicitly terminates that list of characteristics with this: "[FONT=&quot]Against such there is no law.[/FONT]" Gal 5:22
Why would he say such a thing?
It is very simple!
It is impossible to legislate love!
Real love - agape love.
This is the real law of the New covenant - the law of love - Romans chapters 13 and 14.

This is a foreign concept for you but nonetheless this is what the New covenant ethic, morality, and law is all about!
It is nothing to do with the letter of the Law...

 

[beta]

You will not find a reference to the word "Sabbath" prior to Exodus 16:23!

It cannot be argued that the command to observe the Sabbath is eternal....
It is part of the Torah and a central part of the Sinaitic covenant.
Simply put - a New covenant believer has absolutely no obligation to the Torah which is part of the Sinaitic covenant...

That Covenant was given in 2 parts Ex 20...the first 10 Commandments spoken by GOd personally to the people after which they REFUSED to hear HIM again v19, and Deut 5v22 God added no more personally to the people present. The rest of them which contained ordinances/works were given THROUGH Moses v23-27.
There are still people TODAY who refuse to hear GOD on the 10 and demand only Moses to speak with them....a decision they make for themselves and causes them confusion !

 

[gb9]

That Covenant was given in 2 parts Ex 20...the first 10 Commandments spoken by GOd personally to the people after which they REFUSED to hear HIM again v19, and Deut 5v22 God added no more personally to the people present. The rest of them which contained ordinances/works were given THROUGH Moses v23-27.
There are still people TODAY who refuse to hear GOD on the 10 and demand only Moses to speak with them....a decision they make for themselves and causes them confusion !

um, we do not need Moses to speak to us. Moses does not save. the Law does not save. Sabbath does not save. belief and faith in Christ saves.

mount or transfiguration - God the father comes down , and in the presence of Moses ( the law ) and Elijah ( the prophets ) and says " this is my beloved Son, hear Him ", thus separating and elevating Christ's Words over everything.

 

[beta]

Oh puleeez!!!

Sanctimony on steroids....
A whole orchestra of violins must be playing...

No New covenant believer has ANY obligation to the Torah - pure and simple!
And the reason why is that the Torah is part of the Sinaitic covenant and no New covenant believer has anything to do with that covenant...

But the 10 Commandments are spiritual and eternal in force still TODAY Rom 7.
Which law do you think God is now writing on the hearts of true Believers ?

 

[beta]

um, we do not need Moses to speak to us. Moses does not save. the Law does not save. Sabbath does not save. belief and faith in Christ saves.

mount or transfiguration - God the father comes down , and in the presence of Moses ( the law ) and Elijah ( the prophets ) and says " this is my beloved Son, hear Him ", thus separating and elevating Christ's Words over everything.

and in your opinion Jesus was teaching against the Commandments (spiritual/eternal) of God ???

 

[graceNpeace]

But the 10 Commandments are spiritual and eternal in force still TODAY Rom 7.
Which law do you think God is now writing on the hearts of true Believers ?

My, my you are confused...
Romans 7 tells me unequivocally that I am free from the bondage of the law - oops!

 

[gb9]

and in your opinion Jesus was teaching against the Commandments (spiritual/eternal) of God ???

take it up with the Gospel writers . they wrote about. but, since you have stated that you do not believe all of Paul's words, it would not surprise me to hear you did not believe all the things the Gospel writers wrote.......

 

[beta]

Jesus told us to keep HIS commandments. He never commanded us to do the above.

and they are the same...seeing He and His Father are ONE !

I will agree that Jesus moved from the 'letter of the OT' to 'GRACE in the NT....but that in no way 'negates' the Commandments !

 

[beta]

take it up with the Gospel writers . they wrote about. but, since you have stated that you do not believe all of Paul's words, it would not surprise me to hear you did not believe all the things the Gospel writers wrote.......

Again you are reading into posts what has never been said. I never said I did not believe Paul but that he was hard to understand and not that it made him wrong.
Another thing is I do prefer to HEAR JESUS rather than what men say ! now go and find fault with this !

 

[gb9]

Again you are reading into posts what has never been said. I never said I did not believe Paul but that he was hard to understand and not that it made him wrong.
Another thing is I do prefer to HEAR JESUS rather than what men say ! now go and find fault with this !

this has nothing to do with the mount of transfiguration experience. anything on that?

 

[mailmandan]

and in your opinion Jesus was teaching against the Commandments (spiritual/eternal) of God ???

Have you perfectly obeyed the 10 Commandments and do you believe that you will qualify for heaven under those terms?

 

[beta]

My, my you are confused...
Romans 7 tells me unequivocally that I am free from the bondage of the law - oops!

sure sure....how can you want to be free from a law that is spiritual, eternal, holy, just and good ????
don't think we are even talking about the same law/works that were bondage and have been dealt with on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14.

 

[graceNpeace]

Again you are reading into posts what has never been said. I never said I did not believe Paul but that he was hard to understand and not that it made him wrong.
Another thing is I do prefer to HEAR JESUS rather than what men say ! now go and find fault with this !

There is nothing hard to understand with Paul - nothing he says is that subtle....
Paul's theology is not hard to understand, but he may be hard to ACCEPT!

 

[beta]

this has nothing to do with the mount of transfiguration experience. anything on that?

agreed...neither did I mention it....you did.

 

[beta]

There is nothing hard to understand with Paul - nothing he says is that subtle....
Paul's theology is not hard to understand, but he may be hard to ACCEPT!

Now who is speaking against scripture you were quick to accuse me of ? Scripture says some of his writings were hard to understand...You say they are NOT !