If the blood of bulls and goats could never remove sins, how were people saved before/apart from, Christ?
Grace by faith.
If the blood of bulls and goats could never remove sins, how were people saved before/apart from, Christ?
Grace by faith.
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If the blood of bulls and goats could never remove sins, how were people saved before/apart from, Christ?
"For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins" (Hebrews 10:4)
That means they are not forgiven. If their sins are not taken away, they are lost.
Period.
In the OT times a man had his sins forgiven through the Levitical system God set up for the nation of Israel. Their sins were forgiven but not forgotten. Their sins were forgiven but not cleared.
Exodus 34
6 And the Lord passed by before him, and proclaimed, The Lord, The Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
Under the NT, man's sins are forgiven and taken away, washed with the blood of Jesus Christ, never to be remembered.
Hebrews 10
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
No they did not, david d understood that not sqcrifice or burnt offering could forgive his sin, why can,t you?
The author of hebrews did not lie, as you wish him to. Never means never end of story
again, whos sins were covered the 33 times the high priest (who did not represnt god at all) made the annual atonement while jesus walked the earth? The law said all of israels sins would be covered, where they?
why do you deny fact i psted which show they were not, and acripture which confirms it?Why do you deny all the Scripture I have posted stating sins were forgiven? Do you not understand that forgiven in the OT though the blood atonement of animals is temporary? Their sins were not cleared as the NT believer in Christ. That's what Hebrews is teaching. Our sins are not merely covered, but washed away. That's the difference. Those OT saints' sins were covered but not washed away.
Faith in whom?
why do you deny fact i psted which show they were not, and acripture which confirms it?
Hebrews taught a factm the blood of bulls and goats NEVER took away sin. You people who claim never does not mean never just amaze me.
Many believe these OT saints put their trust in Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection for sins. If so, I wonder why Peter and the rest of Jesus' disciples had not clue?
Salvation is found in no one else. The O.T. Saints believed the promise of a coming Messiah. Their faith is credited as righteousness. Just as our faith is.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-salvation.html
I don't deny what Hebrews states. I believe it. I believe that the blood atonement of those animals could never take away sin. Only the blood of Jesus could take away sin. What the blood atonement of those animals could do is temporarily forgive sins and cover them, but they were not cleared. The Scriptures I've posted are clear in their teaching. Here's an example:
Leviticus 19
21 And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering.22 And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him.
Through the blood atonement of the ram offered by the priest for the sin committed...IT SHALL BE FORGIVEN HIM. His sin was forgiven but not cleared, taken away.
I'm not getting my theology through a website got questions???
Agreed! Salvation is found only through the blood of Jesus Christ!
Again, why didn't Peter and the disciples know? Why weren't they "looking forward" to the cross?
And again i will ask. What sins were covered by the sacrifice of the sinful high priests who rejected christ
many people will be in hell who completed the sacrificial aspect of the law.
Well, not everybody knew about the cross. And Christ also wouldn't have had to go through this if the Jews could have kept the commandments.I'm not getting my theology through a website got questions???
Agreed! Salvation is found only through the blood of Jesus Christ!
Again, why didn't Peter and the disciples know? Why weren't they "looking forward" to the cross?
They were looking for the savior, they just did not know the savior and messiah were one and the same. It was the message that was hidden.
Well, not everybody knew about the cross. And Christ also wouldn't have had to go through this if the Jews could have kept the commandments.
I'm not getting my theology through a website got questions???
Agreed! Salvation is found only through the blood of Jesus Christ!
Again, why didn't Peter and the disciples know? Why weren't they "looking forward" to the cross?
Well, back then there was not much grace. Read John 1:17: "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."Keeping the law could not bring about the righteousness of God, but self righteousness.
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: