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Are you still ranting on Bible only. You never completed the challenge I set you. I get very tired of your incessant rant about that This is an area we should agree to disagree. You in this instance are claiming the very early elders had no right to create the creeds. Prove what they say is not Biblical. The more you post the more I find you very disagreeable. Your view is the only correct one. Explain in detail why creeds and Bible helps written by committed Christians shouldn't be used. Explain why Berkhofs Systematic Theology or similar books is wrong to use to look up ALL verses on a particular subject. How do you find each and every verse on any subject and know you found them all? In other words you choose to blind yourself by Bible only. The original language Bible is the only absolute error free Bible. Have you become an expert on Hebrew, Aramaic, and Jewish Greek? In case you don't get it I totally disagree with you about not using Biblical aids for the Bible. You make me want to use foul language to respond to you.
As I was reading James today I came across this thought about it.
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead: This is the first time James speaks of a dead faith. Faith alone saves us, but it must be a living faith. We can tell if faith is alive by seeing if it is accompanied by works, and if it does not have works, it is dead.
i. A living faith is simply real faith. If we really believe something we will follow through and act upon it. If we really put our trust and faith on Jesus, we will care for the naked and destitute as He told us to do.
ii. “He doth not say, faith is dead without works, lest it should be thought that works were the cause of the life of faith; but faith without works is dead; implying, that works are the effects and signs of the life of faith.” (Poole)
Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead: This is the first time James speaks of a dead faith. Faith alone saves us, but it must be a living faith. We can tell if faith is alive by seeing if it is accompanied by works, and if it does not have works, it is dead.
i. A living faith is simply real faith. If we really believe something we will follow through and act upon it. If we really put our trust and faith on Jesus, we will care for the naked and destitute as He told us to do.
ii. “He doth not say, faith is dead without works, lest it should be thought that works were the cause of the life of faith; but faith without works is dead; implying, that works are the effects and signs of the life of faith.” (Poole)
I could care less about what you find disagreeable.....the BIBLE is the only rule of faith and practice...not some book or creed written by men...maybe that is why you miss the mark so much....too busy pushing a CREED instead of the truth of the scriptures...
HEY LOOK EVERYBODY.....I blind myself by choosing to use the bible only.....that is one of the most ignorant statements made by one who claims to be a believer and totally undermines the Holy Spirit and HIS ability to lead us into ALL TRUTH....wow....very anti-Christian thing to say.....
and the last bolded point...HAHAHHA wow!
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
We are indeed throughly furnished, and it's all we need.
AMEN brother....you and I and a few others get that....I cannot believe he said something so ignorant....
I recommend you to watch this legendary sermon by Zane C. Hodges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJVncsWH1w
He was a true man of God.
Zane is awesome.
Assuming he stands for the truth or you would not endorse him HAHAH
To the ones who don't trust in Christ alone.
You keep on believing that even though you believe Jesus died for your sins, you might still end up in hell by living the wrong way.
Keep on living in that fear and torment. Keep on trusting in yourself to live right.
I’ll keep on believing and KNOWING (1 John 5:13) that Christ keeps me saved by His power. I’ll live in victory, in power, in love, in freedom.
I’m done with fear and torment and living in unbelief about Christ’s finished work on the cross.
You keep on believing that even though you believe Jesus died for your sins, you might still end up in hell by living the wrong way.
Keep on living in that fear and torment. Keep on trusting in yourself to live right.
I’ll keep on believing and KNOWING (1 John 5:13) that Christ keeps me saved by His power. I’ll live in victory, in power, in love, in freedom.
I’m done with fear and torment and living in unbelief about Christ’s finished work on the cross.
NOW, can you Square that, with these Scriptures:
Romans 6:23 (CSBBible)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 4:3-5 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness,
Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
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So is this Paulk saying works count againt you?
Thats odd, Jesus says this:
John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”
Mat 19:16-17, "And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life? And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – YHWH. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”
John/Yahanan 14:26, "But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."
John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say?”
The Most High says:
Exodus 23:7, “Keep yourself far from a false matter, and do not kill the innocent and the righteous, for I do not declare the wrong right.”
Paul says:
Romans 4:5, "And to him who is not working but believes on Him who is declaring right the wicked, his belief is reckoned for righteousness,"
Solomon says:
Proverbs 17:15, “He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the righteous, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord."
John says:
1 John 3:7, "Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
Jesus says:
Revelation 22:11-15, “He who does wrong, let him do more wrong; he who is filthy, let him be more filthy; he who is righteous, let him be more righteous; he who is set-apart, let him be more set-apart. And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood.”
Another Point is to point out that JAMES also wrote 14 verses ahead of that verse 24,
so we need to Remember that JAMES also wrote this verse.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
OOPS, there is NO ONE WHO IS PERFECT.
Everyone who thinks they have arrived at Perfectly keeping the LAW,
I will point out, that one of his commands is to "SUBMIT to every ordinance of Man for the LORDS SAKE", and it goes on to say "FOR IT IS GOD'S WILL", 1 Pet. 2:13:
And asked them how is NOT even one mile over the Speed Limit is Not SINNING?
Even if it is accidentally breaking the ORDINANCE OF MAN, it is SINNING.
Amen, there is no such thing as an acceptable sin.Another Point is to point out that JAMES also wrote 14 verses ahead of that verse 24,
so we need to Remember that JAMES also wrote this verse.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
OOPS, there is NO ONE WHO IS PERFECT.
Everyone who thinks they have arrived at Perfectly keeping the LAW,
I will point out, that one of his commands is to "SUBMIT to every ordinance of Man for the LORDS SAKE", and it goes on to say "FOR IT IS GOD'S WILL", 1 Pet. 2:13:
And asked them how is NOT even one mile over the Speed Limit is Not SINNING?
Even if it is accidentally breaking the ORDINANCE OF MAN, it is SINNING.
And that includes sins of ommision and so called "Sins we did not know we have committed" which sinless perfectionists claim.
No one has an excuse.
"He shall cry unto me, thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; if they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail." (Psalm 89:26-33)
Another Point is to point out that JAMES also wrote 14 verses ahead of that verse 24,
so we need to Remember that JAMES also wrote this verse.
James 2:10 (NIV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
OOPS, there is NO ONE WHO IS PERFECT.
Everyone who thinks they have arrived at Perfectly keeping the LAW,
I will point out, that one of his commands is to "SUBMIT to every ordinance of Man for the LORDS SAKE", and it goes on to say "FOR IT IS GOD'S WILL", 1 Pet. 2:13:
And asked them how is NOT even one mile over the Speed Limit is Not SINNING?
Even if it is accidentally breaking the ORDINANCE OF MAN, it is SINNING.
How is inadvertently going 1 MPH over the speed limit sinning? At worse it is simply a minor civil infraction. I'm sure that there are ordinances of man that say that a doctor practicing medicine in a hospital that receives federal funds is required to perform abortion on demand regardless of the trimester of pregnancy. Would you consider it to be a sin if the doctor and nurses refuse to participate in this brutality of ending a human life?
sorry to disagree with you brother, but inadvertant sin is sin nonetheless.
I always think of the guy who tried to steady the ark of the Covenant when the cart hit a rut in the road, and he was zapped dead nonetheless for breaking the Law.