GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[PS]

seems strange, doesn't it... given all the killing yhwh wants

but then Jesus sits at yhwh's right hand

Psalm 110: 1. Yahweh says to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet."

Which He does by fire and brimstone, flood, famine, pestilence, the changing of hearts, and love, not by the downright murder of thousands with a steel sword made by man.

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:4, “These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elohim made earth and heavens.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 110:1, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”"2, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]sends Your mighty sceptre out of Tsiyon. Rule in the midst of Your enemies!"3, "Your people volunteer in the day of Your might, In the splendours of set-apartness! From the womb, from the morning, You have the dew of Your youth!"4, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”"5, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]at Your right hand Shall smite sovereigns in the day of His wrath."6, "He judges among the nations, He shall fill the nations with dead bodies, He shall crush the Head over the mighty earth!"7, "He drinks of the stream by the wayside, Therefore He does lift up the head!"[/FONT]

It is good you showed us the scriptures that speak of the unity of Father and Son. We know the Son spoke as the Father spoke, for Father and Son are One, but as we read the sayings of Father God via. the Son, we can see there is no resemblance between Father God and Yahweh. Father God is the giver of life, while Yahweh is the Destroyer, the serpent in the Garden.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 5:20-24, “Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteousness evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight! Woe to the mighty to drink wine, and brave men to mix strong drink, who declare right the wrong for a bribe, and the righteousness of the righteous they turn aside from him! Therefore, as a tongue of fire devours the stubble, and the flame consumes the chaff, their root is as rottenness, and their blossom goes up like dust – because they have rejected the Torah of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, and despised the Word of the Set-apart One of Yisra’yl.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 9:23-26, “Thus said יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Let not the wise boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty boast in his might, nor let the rich boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], doing loving-commitment, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight,” declares [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “See, the days are coming,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “when I shall punish all circumcised with the uncircumcised; Mitsrayim, and Yehuḏah, and Eḏom, and the children of Ammon, and Mo’aḇ, and all those trimmed on the edges, who dwell in the wilderness. For all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Yisra’ĕl are uncircumcised in heart!”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 32:3-4, "For I will proclaim YHWH's great Name! Praise the greatness of YHWH! He is The Rock. His works are perfect; YHWH's ways are justice indeed! He is the Father of truth, and does no wrong. Upright and Just is He."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 44:24, “Thus said יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb, “I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, doing all, stretching out the heavens all alone, spreading out the earth, with none beside Me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 6:2-3, “And Ylohim spoke to Mosheh and said to him, “I am יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], "“And I appeared to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Ya‛aqoḇ, as Yl Shaddai (Strength Almighty), and by My Name, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, was I not known to them?”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Joshua 3:13, "“And it shall be, as soon as the soles of the feet of the priests who bear the ark of יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], the Master of all the earth, come to rest in the waters of the Yardĕn, that the waters of the Yardĕn are cut off, the waters that come down from upstream, and stand as a heap.”[/FONT][/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 53[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1, "Who has believed our report? And to whom was the arm of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]revealed?"2, "For He grew up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or splendor that we should look upon Him, nor appearance that we should desire Him –"3, "despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and knowing sickness. And as one from whom the face is hidden, being despised, and we did not consider Him."4, "Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by Yah, and afflicted."5, "But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookednesses. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."6, "We all, like sheep, went astray, each one of us has turned to his own way. And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has laid on Him the crookedness of us all."7, "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, but He did not open His mouth."8, "He was taken from prison and from judgment. And as for His generation, who considered that He shall be cut off from the land of the living? For the transgression of My people He was stricken."9, "And He was appointed a burial-site with the wrong, and with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was deceit in His mouth.10, "But [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]was pleased to crush Him, He laid sickness on Him, that when He made Himself an offering for guilt, He would see a seed, He would prolong His days and the pleasure of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה prosper in His hand."11, "He would see the result of the suffering of His life and be satisfied. Through His knowledge My righteous Servant makes many righteous, and He bears their crookednesses."12, "Therefore I give Him a portion among the great, and He divides the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His being unto death, and He was counted with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."[/FONT]

 

[PS]

Genesis 2:4, “These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that יהוה Elohim made earth and heavens.”

Psalm 110:1, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”"2, "יהוה sends Your mighty sceptre out of Tsiyon. Rule in the midst of Your enemies!"3, "Your people volunteer in the day of Your might, In the splendours of set-apartness! From the womb, from the morning, You have the dew of Your youth!"4, "יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”"5, "יהוה at Your right hand Shall smite sovereigns in the day of His wrath."6, "He judges among the nations, He shall fill the nations with dead bodies, He shall crush the Head over the mighty earth!"7, "He drinks of the stream by the wayside, Therefore He does lift up the head!"


Isaiah 5:20-24, “Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteousness evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight! Woe to the mighty to drink wine, and brave men to mix strong drink, who declare right the wrong for a bribe, and the righteousness of the righteous they turn aside from him! Therefore, as a tongue of fire devours the stubble, and the flame consumes the chaff, their root is as rottenness, and their blossom goes up like dust – because they have rejected the Torah of יהוה of hosts, and despised the Word of the Set-apart One of Yisra’yl.”

Jeremiah 9:23-26, “Thus said יהוה, “Let not the wise boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty boast in his might, nor let the rich boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am יהוה, doing loving-commitment, judgment, and righteousness in the earth. For in these I delight,” declares יהוה, “See, the days are coming,” declares יהוה, “when I shall punish all circumcised with the uncircumcised; Mitsrayim, and Yehuḏah, and Eḏom, and the children of Ammon, and Mo’aḇ, and all those trimmed on the edges, who dwell in the wilderness. For all the nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Yisra’ĕl are uncircumcised in heart!”

Deuteronomy 32:3-4, "For I will proclaim YHWH's great Name! Praise the greatness of YHWH! He is The Rock. His works are perfect; YHWH's ways are justice indeed! He is the Father of truth, and does no wrong. Upright and Just is He."

Isaiah 44:24, “Thus said יהוה, your Redeemer, and He who formed you from the womb, “I am יהוה, doing all, stretching out the heavens all alone, spreading out the earth, with none beside Me.”

Exodus 6:2-3, “And Ylohim spoke to Mosheh and said to him, “I am יהוה, "“And I appeared to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Ya‛aqoḇ, as Yl Shaddai (Strength Almighty), and by My Name, יהוה, was I not known to them?”

Joshua 3:13, "“And it shall be, as soon as the soles of the feet of the priests who bear the ark of יהוה, the Master of all the earth, come to rest in the waters of the Yardĕn, that the waters of the Yardĕn are cut off, the waters that come down from upstream, and stand as a heap.”

Isaiah 53
1, "Who has believed our report? And to whom was the arm of יהוה revealed?"2, "For He grew up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or splendor that we should look upon Him, nor appearance that we should desire Him –"3, "despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and knowing sickness. And as one from whom the face is hidden, being despised, and we did not consider Him."4, "Truly, He has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains. Yet we reckoned Him smitten·, stricken by Yah, and afflicted."5, "But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our crookednesses. The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."6, "We all, like sheep, went astray, each one of us has turned to his own way. And יהוה has laid on Him the crookedness of us all."7, "He was oppressed and He was afflicted, but He did not open His mouth. He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, but He did not open His mouth."8, "He was taken from prison and from judgment. And as for His generation, who considered that He shall be cut off from the land of the living? For the transgression of My people He was stricken."9, "And He was appointed a burial-site with the wrong, and with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was deceit in His mouth.10, "But יהוה was pleased to crush Him, He laid sickness on Him, that when He made Himself an offering for guilt, He would see a seed, He would prolong His days and the pleasure of יהוה prosper in His hand."11, "He would see the result of the suffering of His life and be satisfied. Through His knowledge My righteous Servant makes many righteous, and He bears their crookednesses."12, "Therefore I give Him a portion among the great, and He divides the spoil with the strong, because He poured out His being unto death, and He was counted with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."

Jesus was with the people the whole time, but they turned aside and followed other gods. They even called the Golden Calf LORD, the same as they called the Father LORD, juxtaposing the two. One sent manna down from heaven, the other commanded horrible things. We recognise them by their works in the case of Jesus, He did it, while the false LORD had to get wicked men to do his will.

 

[Jackson123]

You wont even hear the one who you calimn your rest in... Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected." Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" Except you added a word there. and nowehere does it say "Jesus is the Sabbath" that is man made doctrine. The rest He offers is defined is Scripture not you head: Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!" Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath." Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.” Isayah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Did I say Jesus is the sabbath?

Please copy ops my statement that prove I say Jesus is the sabbath.

the verse say Jesus will give a rest. And rest mean sabbath.

so when you come to Jesus, you have rest or sabbath.

and that is what Jesus say, it never pass before heaven and earth pass.

or you accused Jesus a liar.

 

[Dan_473]

Which He does by fire and brimstone, flood, famine, pestilence, the changing of hearts, and love, not by the downright murder of thousands with a steel sword made by man.

Jesus sits at yhwh's right hand

why does he do that if yhwh is evil?

 

[Shamah]

Did I say Jesus is the sabbath?

Please copy ops my statement that prove I say Jesus is the sabbath.

the verse say Jesus will give a rest. And rest mean sabbath.

so when you come to Jesus, you have rest or sabbath.

and that is what Jesus say, it never pass before heaven and earth pass.

or you accused Jesus a liar.

No I let Scripture intrep Scripture.

Except you added a word there. and nowehere does it say "Jesus is the Sabbath" that is man made doctrine. The rest He offers is defined is Scripture not you head: Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

 

[Dan_473]

so PS, i always like to hear new ideas

do you believe there's a good yhwh and a bad yhwh in the ot? something different?

 

[Shamah]

so PS, i always like to hear new ides

do you believe there's a good yhwh and a bad yhwh in the ot? something different?

I think he made himself clear, he has stated this on numerous accasions..

It is good you showed us the scriptures that speak of the unity of Father and Son. We know the Son spoke as the Father spoke, for Father and Son are One, but as we read the sayings of Father God via. the Son, we can see there is no resemblance between Father God and Yahweh. Father God is the giver of life, while Yahweh is the Destroyer, the serpent in the Garden.

however his statements show his mind is twisted in error and blasphemy.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."


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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 59:15-21, "Yes, truth is suppressed; and he who departs from evil is accounted as mad. YHWH saw this, and it displeased Him that there was no justice. But He saw no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him, and His own righteousness, it sustained Him. For He put on righteousness as a breastplate, with a helmet of salvation on His head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and He wrapped Himself with zeal like a tallit. According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay--fury to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies; to the islands; nations, He will repay recompense. So they will reverence the Name of YHWH from the west and His glory from the rising of the sun; when our enemies will come in like a flood, the Spirit of YHWH will lift up a standard against them; The Redeemer will depart from Zion for those of Yaaqob who repent of their sins! declares YHWH. As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says YHWH: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Words which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says YHWH: from this time and forevermore."[/FONT]

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 27:45-54, "Then from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land. And about the aninth hour Yahshua cried out with a loud voice, saying: Yli! Yli! lamah ozabatniy?! which means: My Strength! My Strength! Why have You forsaken Me?! Some ofthose who stood there, when they heard that, said; This Man calls for Yliyah. Then immediately one ofthem ran and took a sponge, filled it with vinegar; sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave it to Him to drink. The rest said; Leave Him alone! Let us see if Yliyah will come to save Him. Yahshua, when He had cried out again with a loud voice, yielded up His Spirit. And behold, the veil ofthe Most Holy Place was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, And minds were opened, and many congregations of saints who were called ofYHWH arose. And those whose minds were opened came out after His resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared to many. When the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Yahshua, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying; Truly this was the Son of YHWH!"

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 22:1-31, "22:1, "My Ěl, My Ěl, why have You forsaken Me – Far from saving Me, far from the words of My groaning?"22:2, "O My Elohim, I call by day, but You do not answer; And by night, but I find no rest."22:3, "Yet You are set-apart, Enthroned on the praises of Yisra’ĕl."22:4, "Our fathers trusted in You; They trusted, and You delivered them."22:5, "They cried to You, and were delivered; They trusted in You, and were not ashamed."22:6, "But I am a worm, and no man; A reproach of men, and despised by the people."22:7, "All those who see Me mock Me; They shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,"22:8, "“He trusted in יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], let Him rescue Him; Let Him deliver Him, seeing He has delighted in Him!”"22:9, "For You are the One who took Me out of the womb; Causing Me to trust while on My mother’s breasts."22:10, "I was cast upon You from birth. From My mother’s belly You have been My Ěl."22:11, "Do not be far from Me, For distress is near; For there is none to help."22:12, "Many bulls have surrounded Me; Strong ones of Bashan have encircled Me."22:13, "They have opened their mouths against Me, As a raging and roaring lion."22:14, "I have been poured out like water, And all My bones have been spread apart; My heart has become like wax; It has melted in the midst of My inward parts."22:15, "My strength is dried like a potsherd, And My tongue is cleaving to My jaws; And to the dust of death You are appointing Me."22:16, "For dogs have surrounded Me; A crowd of evil ones have encircled Me, Piercing My hands and My feet;a Footnote: aSome MSS have like a lion, my hands and my feet.’ or they dug my hands and my feet.’"22:17, "I count all My bones. They look, they stare at Me."22:18, "They divide My garments among them, And for My raiment they cast lots."22:19, "But You, O [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], do not be far off; O My Strength, hasten to help Me!"22:20, "Deliver My life from the sword, My only life from the power of the dog."22:21, "Save Me from the mouth of the lion, And from the horns of the wild beasts! You have answered Me."22:22, "I make known Your Name to My brothers; In the midst of the assembly I praise You."22:23, "You who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], praise Him! All you seed of Ya‛aqoḇ, esteem Him, And fear Him, all you seed of Yisra’ĕl!"22:24, "For He has not despised Nor hated the affliction of the afflicted; Nor has He hidden His face from Him; But when He cried to Him, He heard."22:25, "From You is My praise in the great assembly; I pay My vows before those who fear Him."22:26, "The meek ones do eat and are satisfied; Let those who seek Him praise [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. Let your heart live forever!"22:27, "Let all the ends of the earth Remember and turn to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], And all clans of the nations Bow themselves before You."22:28, "For the reign belongs to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], And He is ruling over the nations."22:29, "All the fat ones of the earth Shall eat and bow themselves; All who go down to the dust bow before Him, Even he who did not keep alive his own life."22:30, "A seed shall serve Him. It is declared of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה to the coming generation."22:31, "They shall come and declare His righteousness To a people yet to be born, For He shall do it!"[/FONT]

 

[PS]

Jesus sits at yhwh's right hand
why does he do that if yhwh is evil?

Jesus knows the Father and the Father knows the Son. Neither are evil for God is a righteous God.

It is only us humans who are deceived, the same as Adam and Eve were deceived.

Satan, the deceiver is the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4).

He fashions himself into an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14).

He was among the sons of God. (Job 1:6).

It is important that we recognise him.

But don't worry, it is not Satan, the destroyer who sits on the heavenly throne, he never created anything.

 

[Dan_473]

I think he made himself clear, he has stated this on numerous accasions..



however his statements show his mind is twisted in error and blasphemy.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."


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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isayah 59:15-21, "Yes, truth is suppressed; and he who departs from evil is accounted as mad. YHWH saw this, and it displeased Him that there was no justice. But He saw no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him, and His own righteousness, it sustained Him. For He put on righteousness as a breastplate, with a helmet of salvation on His head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and He wrapped Himself with zeal like a tallit. According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay--fury to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies; to the islands; nations, He will repay recompense. So they will reverence the Name of YHWH from the west and His glory from the rising of the sun; when our enemies will come in like a flood, the Spirit of YHWH will lift up a standard against them; The Redeemer will depart from Zion for those of Yaaqob who repent of their sins! declares YHWH. As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says YHWH: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Words which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says YHWH: from this time and forevermore."[/FONT]

"I think he made himself clear, he has stated this on numerous accasions.."

still, i think it's good to hear from the person directly

 

[PS]

so PS, i always like to hear new ideas

do you believe there's a good yhwh and a bad yhwh in the ot? something different?

There is only one God, but beware of the deceiver. Do you remember President Bush I think it was, who told the American people "God told me to go into Iraq?" That was never the true God who we see in Jesus.

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus knows the Father and the Father knows the Son. Neither are evil for God is a righteous God.

It is only us humans who are deceived, the same as Adam and Eve were deceived.

Satan, the deceiver is the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4).

He fashions himself into an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14).

He was among the sons of God. (Job 1:6).

It is important that we recognise him.

But don't worry, it is not Satan, the destroyer who sits on the heavenly throne, he never created anything.

so the person sitting on the throne in that scripture

is that yhwh?

 

[Dan_473]

There is only one God, but beware of the deceiver. Do you remember President Bush I think it was, who told the American people "God told me to go into Iraq?" That was never the true God who we see in Jesus.

right

and the yhwh in the ot

is that the true God?

 

[Shamah]

"I think he made himself clear, he has stated this on numerous accasions.."

still, i think it's good to hear from the person directly

I agree, but I want to reaffirm that he has stated this a number of times, so for me I know his stance. I have shown him many Scriptures showing YHWH is indeed the Almighty Creator, the YHWH is indeed the one who sent Yahshua/Jesus, etc. he just ignores it ans says this type of thing again. May YHWH grant him repentance and a heart to seek truth.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 19:1-3, “Better is the poor walking in his integrity Than one of perverse lips, who is a fool. Also, desire without knowledge is not good; And he who hurries with his feet sins. The foolishness of a man perverts his way, And his heart is wroth against [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

 

[PS]

I think he made himself clear, he has stated this on numerous accasions..

however his statements show his mind is twisted in error and blasphemy.

Psalm 68:19, "Blessed be יהוה, Day by day He bears our burden, The Strength of our salvation! Selah."


Isayah 59:15-21, "Yes, truth is suppressed; and he who departs from evil is accounted as mad. YHWH saw this, and it displeased Him that there was no justice. But He saw no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor. Therefore His own arm brought salvation for Him, and His own righteousness, it sustained Him. For He put on righteousness as a breastplate, with a helmet of salvation on His head; He put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and He wrapped Himself with zeal like a tallit. According to their deeds, accordingly He will repay--fury to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies; to the islands; nations, He will repay recompense. So they will reverence the Name of YHWH from the west and His glory from the rising of the sun; when our enemies will come in like a flood, the Spirit of YHWH will lift up a standard against them; The Redeemer will depart from Zion for those of Yaaqob who repent of their sins! declares YHWH. As for Me, this is My covenant with them, says YHWH: My Spirit which is upon you, namely My Words which I have put in your mouth; they will not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your seed, nor from the mouth of your seed's seed, says YHWH: from this time and forevermore."

Here we see the true God. Those in Christ will recognise the god of war.

 

[PS]

so the person sitting on the throne in that scripture

is that yhwh?

That is Yhwh.

 

[Shamah]

Here we see the true God. Those in Christ will recognise the god of war.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 5:28-30, “Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice, and shall come forth – those who have done* righteousness, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practiced* evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment. Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 10:14-15, “And whoever does not receive you nor hear your words, when you leave that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Truly, I say to you, it shall be more bearable for the land of Seḏom and Amorah in the day of judgment than for that city!”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Amos 4:12-13, “Therefore I am doing this to you, O Yisra’ĕl. And because I do this to you, prepare to meet your Mighty One, O Yisra’ĕl! For look, He who forms mountains, and creates the wind, and who declares to man what His thought is, and makes the morning darkness, and who treads the high places of the earth, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mighty One of hosts is His Name.”[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 13:41-43, "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear."


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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:4, “These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Elohim made earth and heavens.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Proverbs 30:4-9, “Who has gone up to the heavens and come down? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name, And what is His Son’s Name, If you know it? Every Word of the Mighty One is tried; He is a shield to those taking refuge in Him. Do not add to His Words, Lest He reprove you, and you be found a liar. Two matters I have asked of You – Deny them not to me before I die: Remove falsehood and a lying word far from me; Give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me my lawful bread; Lest I become satisfied and deny You, And say, “Who is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]?” And lest I be poor, and steal, And seize the Name of my Mighty One.”[/FONT]

 

[PS]

Did I say Jesus is the sabbath?

Please copy ops my statement that prove I say Jesus is the sabbath.

the verse say Jesus will give a rest. And rest mean sabbath.

so when you come to Jesus, you have rest or sabbath.

and that is what Jesus say, it never pass before heaven and earth pass.

or you accused Jesus a liar.

Jesus said:

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
(Mat 11:28-30 KJV)

The deceiver seeks who he may devour.