So i can make void all those laws can i?
Those that conflict with New Testament law.
So i can make void all those laws can i?
You can quote Scripture all you like to back your position but the problem remains that other Scripture contradicts you.make up your own way?
Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”
Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”
Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth.
He has remembered His covenant forever,
forever
The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations,
The covenant He made with Aḇraham,
covenant made with Abraham
And His oath to Yitsḥaq,
continued with Issac
And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law,
continued with Jacob
To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”
continued with Israel
STAND FAST WITH WHO?...
Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”
Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and His throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”
The reason not to observe the Sabbath is very simple, it is part of a covenant that is no longer in operation!God said to keep the Sabbath and i don't see any reason to stop. plain and simple. The day is blessed and hallowed and i don't see any reason why it is not hallowed today.
If the laws could have been changed than Christ would not have needed to die. The laws make us guilty of death so to simple change the law would simple make us free from death.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
There will be a commandment keeping people at the end and you can argue which commandments but the moral law has not changed. The sabbath is too hard for most people so they need to change everything.
Lets stop going around in circles.
Eze 20:19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
The Sabbath is a wonderful gift that God gave us at creation, and every week we can accept that blessing or reject it. But don't say i do it on Sunday or every day because that isn't the time God said to keep Holy.
Jesus kept the Sabbath and Paul kept the Sabbath and James tells us to keep the whole law.Those that conflict with New Testament law.
You can quote Scripture all you like to back your position but the problem remains that other Scripture contradicts you.
Try:
Romans 7:1-6;
Gal 3:1-29; and
2 Corinthians 3:7-11.
New covenant believers, of which I am one, cannot be simultaneously part of the Sinaitic covenant!
If James is referring to the Torah then you are in a spot of bother.....done any sin offerings lately with lambs and doves etc...Jesus kept the Sabbath and Paul kept the Sabbath and James tells us to keep the whole law.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
The evidence is there if you want to find it. but it seems that most of you want to not see.
I need to have lunch bye....
Acts 15:19-21, 29 - hardly an instruction to follow the Torah now is it!
Luke 16:16-17 - Sinaitic covenant still in effect at the time...
Daniel 7:25 - spoken at a time when the Sinaitic covenant is in effect, and a warning to its covenant partners (Israelites) not to fiddle with the covenant. Sound advice in general, but not applicable to a New covenant believer with respect to the Sinaitic covenant, when the High Priest of the New covenant has already done way with the Sinaitic covenant...
God said to keep the Sabbath and i don't see any reason to stop. plain and simple. The day is blessed and hallowed and i don't see any reason why it is not hallowed today.
If the laws could have been changed than Christ would not have needed to die. The laws make us guilty of death so to simple change the law would simple make us free from death.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
There will be a commandment keeping people at the end and you can argue which commandments but the moral law has not changed. The sabbath is too hard for most people so they need to change everything.
Lets stop going around in circles.
Eze 20:19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
The Sabbath is a wonderful gift that God gave us at creation, and every week we can accept that blessing or reject it. But don't say i do it on Sunday or every day because that isn't the time God said to keep Holy.
Jesus kept the Sabbath and Paul kept the Sabbath and James tells us to keep the whole law.
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Act_17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Act_18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
The evidence is there if you want to find it. but it seems that most of you want to not see.
I need to have lunch bye....
yes you have to keep sabbath.
sabbath is rest
jesus say: come to me ye who labour and heavy laden, I will give you rest/sabbath
So sabbath = come to jesus
yes we have to keep sabbath or keep come to Jesus. This is the real sabbath that we have to keep
i agree with you on keep sabbath, but I agree with Jesus, by coming to Jesus you keep the real sabbath.
Ellen G White not in agreement with Jesus.
Come come now......All the Commands from Acts 15 are in the Instructions.
Pre or post Levite priesthood, the Law remains;
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Come come now......
Those few instructions that Peter mentions cannot be an instruction to follow the TORAH in its entirety......
Please!
If the Jerusalem Council was to decide whether New covenant believers were obliged to keep the Torah in its entirety, which it was, (in other words Gentile believers would need to be circumcised as merely a first step), the handful of instructions (and they are a handful) cannot be interpreted as code for, "the entire Torah is still binding", when the Torah is 600 (and counting) laws, commandments, and ordinances!
That is simply ludicrous!
Context tells us that from the ENTIRE TORAH, these few instructions are left.
That is not the Torah (as given to Moses on Mount Sinai)!
Acts 15:28 "28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: "
One has to be pretty desperate to get THE TORAH from that!
Paul writing in the epistle to the Galatians is even more explicit, and less diplomatic about it....
Perhaps you should read it sometime....
However, I can see that nothing I say will deflect you from your unfortunate deception....
Mat 11:27-30, "All things have been delivered to Me by My Father. And no one fully knows the Son except the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father, except the Son and those whom YHWH wills the Son to reveal. Come to Me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light"
TH\he rest Yahshua/Jesus offers is in the Kingdom of YHWH;
Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"
Jeremiah 6:16-17, “Thus said יהוה, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves.” But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.’ “And I raised up watchmen over you, and said, ‘Listen to a voice of the trumpet!’ But they said, ‘We do not listen.’