GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Correct!
But our Adventist friends, in particular, need to resort to this kind illogical thinking to justify their house of cards...
Many laws had there time and place, but the reason for keeping the sabbath has not finish.
Why was the sabbath set up? creation.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
wherefore = on account of the reason stated.This is why we are told to keep it.
When does this stop becoming relevant to us as His creation.
When do we need to stop recognizing that God is our creator.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
When is the 7th day made a normal day, unblessed and made like the rest of the week? When God blesses something how long is it blessed for?
Psa 21:6 For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
When Jesus came it did not change our need to recognize God as our creator.
Why was the sabbath set up? creation.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
wherefore = on account of the reason stated.This is why we are told to keep it.
When does this stop becoming relevant to us as His creation.
When do we need to stop recognizing that God is our creator.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
When is the 7th day made a normal day, unblessed and made like the rest of the week? When God blesses something how long is it blessed for?
Psa 21:6 For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
When Jesus came it did not change our need to recognize God as our creator.
The Bible did say to stop killing the sacrifices at His death but the bible does not say to stop keeping the Sabbath.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Oh, boy....
The Sabbath was given to Moses, never a second before...
None before him knew about the seventh day Sabbath or observed the seventh day Sabbath
Moreover it was the seal of the Sinaitic covenant...
It was part of a covenant that is no longer operational - the Sinaitic covenant.
In addition the Sabbath, as given to Moses and the Israelites, was merely a shadow, of something much bigger, never an end in itself.
Hebrews 4:1-10 gives the answer, of course, but our Adventist friends have so screwed up their hermeneutics that they cannot see what the passage is telling them!
The rest offered in Jesus Christ is not once every seven days, but a perpetual and continuous rest!
The Sabbath was given to Moses, never a second before...
None before him knew about the seventh day Sabbath or observed the seventh day Sabbath
Moreover it was the seal of the Sinaitic covenant...
It was part of a covenant that is no longer operational - the Sinaitic covenant.
In addition the Sabbath, as given to Moses and the Israelites, was merely a shadow, of something much bigger, never an end in itself.
Hebrews 4:1-10 gives the answer, of course, but our Adventist friends have so screwed up their hermeneutics that they cannot see what the passage is telling them!
The rest offered in Jesus Christ is not once every seven days, but a perpetual and continuous rest!
The Sabbath was made before a Jew exisited.
Jesus Said
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
He could have easily said the sabbath was made for Jews, but Jesus said it was made for man, all mankind.
Jesus Said
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
He could have easily said the sabbath was made for Jews, but Jesus said it was made for man, all mankind.
whole law is used here and the two laws given are from the same law that the sabbath is in.
Explain according to the verses given, how you can break the sabbath and be free from breaking the other laws like killing and stealing?
Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
silence is not an issue Jesus made it plain that the sabbath would still be kept after the cross.
Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
silence is not an issue Jesus made it plain that the sabbath would still be kept after the cross.
Nice try, but very poor hermeneutics!
First of all, who was He addressing?
Jews!
Secondly, the word "[FONT="]ἄνθρωπος[/FONT]" used several times in the passage quoted, is indeed a generic term for "man", but context does not allow you to pour meaning into the word that is not there!
Context does not allow one to ascribe that word to the WHOLE of mankind....
The Sabbath DID NOT exist prior to God giving the commandment to Moses.
The first BIBLICAL reference to the Sabbath comes from Exodus 16:23 - and that is incontrovertible!
The Sabbath did exist before Moses:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Genesis 2:1-3, “Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array. And in the seventh day the Mighty One completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And the Mighty One blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which the Mighty One in creating had made.”[/FONT]
The Sabbath was for Hebrew and Gentile alike:
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak, saying, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to serve Him, and to love the Name of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”[/FONT][/FONT]
SCRIPTUAL FACT.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Like i said, either the bible contradicts itself or there are two laws that are talked about in the new testament. And i can see how the laws that were a shadow of Christ came to there end with Christ but the principles of love that teach us right and wrong still apply.
Rom_13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
The first 4 commandments are principles of love towards God. The next 6 commandments are principles of love towards our neighbor.
Like i said, either the bible contradicts itself or there are two laws that are talked about in the new testament. And i can see how the laws that were a shadow of Christ came to there end with Christ but the principles of love that teach us right and wrong still apply.
Rom_13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
The first 4 commandments are principles of love towards God. The next 6 commandments are principles of love towards our neighbor.
What about creation? the reason for keeping it goes back to creation each time.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
All goes back to creation. No jew or gentile at creation.
What GOD did in Genesis 2:1-3 is not in dispute.
However, the 7th day Sabbath is a commandment, given to Moses and the Israelites on Mount Sinai, by God, as part of the Sinaitic covenant.
It did not exist prior to this time - that is incontrovertible!
Also, the parties to this covenant were God and the Israelites.
Yes, there is provision in this covenant for Gentiles to join in the covenant with the proviso that they become JEWS.
The Siniatic covenant was never a universal covenant in the mould of the Abrahamic covenant!
So, whoever those individuals mentioned in Is 56:1-7 were, they became JEWS, in every way as described IN DETAIL by that passage.
None of this is GENERALISABLE, particularly with respect to the New covenant, since in its institution the Sinaitic covenant is abrogated!
However, the 7th day Sabbath is a commandment, given to Moses and the Israelites on Mount Sinai, by God, as part of the Sinaitic covenant.
It did not exist prior to this time - that is incontrovertible!
Also, the parties to this covenant were God and the Israelites.
Yes, there is provision in this covenant for Gentiles to join in the covenant with the proviso that they become JEWS.
The Siniatic covenant was never a universal covenant in the mould of the Abrahamic covenant!
So, whoever those individuals mentioned in Is 56:1-7 were, they became JEWS, in every way as described IN DETAIL by that passage.
None of this is GENERALISABLE, particularly with respect to the New covenant, since in its institution the Sinaitic covenant is abrogated!
make up your own way?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth.
He has remembered His covenant forever,
forever
The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations,
The covenant He made with Aḇraham,
covenant made with Abraham
And His oath to Yitsḥaq,
continued with Issac
And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law,
continued with Jacob
To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]continued with Israel
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STAND FAST WITH WHO?...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and His throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]
2 Corinthians 3:7-11
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
All the law in the OT was a shadow.
The Lord didn't say He would fulfill some of the law. He said NONE of it would fall away until ALL of it was fulfilled.
So if some of it came to an end then ALL of it came to an end.
Otherwise you have the Lord Jesus Christ Himself contradicting everything.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
All the law in the OT was a shadow.
The Lord didn't say He would fulfill some of the law. He said NONE of it would fall away until ALL of it was fulfilled.
So if some of it came to an end then ALL of it came to an end.
Otherwise you have the Lord Jesus Christ Himself contradicting everything.