KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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KJV1611 said:
This appears to be another mistake.

How did the same Jehoram die from an arrow in the heart at the same time he died from a bowel disease given to him by God?

2Ki 9:24 And Jehu drew a bow with his full strength, and smote Jehoram between his arms, and the arrow went out at his heart, and he sunk down in his chariot.

2Ch 21:19And it came to pass, that in process of time, after the end of two years, his (Jehoram) bowels fell out by reason of his sickness: so he died of sored iseases. And his people made no burning for him, like the burning of his fathers.
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This one is easy to explain (it wasn't the same person), but understandable, as Israel and Judah each had both a Jehoram (aka Joram) and an Ahaziah as kings. You've mixed up Jehoram of Israel, who was killed by Jehu's arrow in 2 Kings 9:24, with Jehoram of Judah, who died of a bowel disease. Jehoram followed Ahaziah (son of Ahab) as king of Israel and was contemporary with both Jehoram (son of Jehoshaphat) and Ahaziah (son of Jehoram) of Judah.
 
KJV1611 said:
Is this yet ANOTHER mistake in the bible? :confused:
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How did the SAME AHAZIAH begin to reign in the 11th year and 12th year of Joram the son of Ahab?
No fear, neither are a mistake but I would like to see how the KJV doubters handle this.

2Ki 8:25 In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab king of Israel did Ahaziah the son of Jehoram king of Judah begin to reign.

2Ki 9:29 And in the eleventh year of Joram the son of Ahab began Ahaziah to reign over Judah.
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This one bears more study. At first glance, I would note that the verse in chapter 9 doesn't seem to fit, as it is out of sequence and doesn't match the pattern of other announcements. I suspect an early scribe may have transposed a verse or inserted a marginal note into the main text. The reason for the difference in numbers is not apparent to me... yet.
 
Dino246 said:
This one is easy to explain (it wasn't the same person), but understandable, as Israel and Judah each had both a Jehoram (aka Joram) and an Ahaziah as kings. You've mixed up Jehoram of Israel, who was killed by Jehu's arrow in 2 Kings 9:24, with Jehoram of Judah, who died of a bowel disease. Jehoram followed Ahaziah (son of Ahab) as king of Israel and was contemporary with both Jehoram (son of Jehoshaphat) and Ahaziah (son of Jehoram) of Judah.
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Each Jehoram had an Ahaziah, And each Ahaziah became king... one at age 22 and the other was 42.

All of that isn’t even counting the 3rd Ahaziah that fell through the lattice.
 
Dino246 said:
This one bears more study. At first glance, I would note that the verse in chapter 9 doesn't seem to fit, as it is out of sequence and doesn't match the pattern of other announcements. I suspect an early scribe may have transposed a verse or inserted a marginal note into the main text. The reason for the difference in numbers is not apparent to me... yet.
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There are NO MISTAKES in the inerrant word of God, the verse means exactly what it says.
 
KJV1611 said:
Each Jehoram had an Ahaziah, And each Ahaziah became king... one at age 22 and the other was 42.

All of that isn’t even counting the 3rd Ahaziah that fell through the lattice.
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You have the detail correct on the "3rd Ahaziah" as you call him, but he was the first of two, not of three...

1 Kings 22:40 So Ahab [of Israel, not Judah] slept with his fathers; and Ahaziah his son reigned in his stead.

2 Kings 1:2 And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, inquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease.
3 But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to inquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron?
4 Now therefore thus saith the LORD, Thou shalt not come down from the bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.
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2 Kings 1:17 So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah, because he had no son.

This same Ahaziah of Israel is mentioned again in 2 Chron 20:35 And after this did Jehoshaphat king of Judah join himself with Ahaziah king of Israel, who did very wickedly

Ahaziah of Judah is mentioned in the lineage of Solomon...

1 Chronicles 3:10 And Solomon's son was Rehoboam [of Judah, not Israel], Abia his son, Asa his son, Jehoshaphat his son,
[SUP] 11 [/SUP]Joram [Jehoram] his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son,

There is no second Ahaziah among the kings of Judah. The next time that Ahaziah of Judah is mentioned is in 2 Chronicles 22 as the one who began his reign at age 42 (according to Chronicles) and 22 (according to Kings). There is nothing in Scripture to suggest that there were two kings of Judah named Ahaziah.
 
KJV1611 said:
If it’s the word of God then it’s inerrant, doesn’t matter what language or what century it comes from.
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My question was "how do you know that Chronicles or Kings ar the inerrant word of God".

You begin with that idea. What do you base it on. Why do you think that historical work of Jews is "the word of God".
 
trofimus said:
My question was "how do you know that Chronicles or Kings ar the inerrant word of God".

You begin with that idea. What do you base it on. Why do you think that historical work of Jews is "the word of God".
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Can’t you see Gods personality and fingerprints on this story in kings and chronicles? He baits the reader to fall for the “error” by breaking the truth up in hidden sections so that the only way to arrive at the truth is by believing every word. He did the same thing in the gospels.
 
KJV1611 said:
Can’t you see Gods personality and fingerprints on this story in kings and chronicles? He baits the reader to fall for the “error” by breaking the truth up in hidden sections so that the only way to arrive at the truth is by believing every word. He did the same thing in the gospels.
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Thats a very subjective reason.

Also, not technically saying that every sentence must be right or authentic. "Personality" of God can be seen in overall message, not in Jewish history details.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Can’t you see Gods personality and fingerprints on this story in kings and chronicles? He baits the reader to fall for the “error” by breaking the truth up in hidden sections so that the only way to arrive at the truth is by believing every word. He did the same thing in the gospels.
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God will lead the skeptic to believe a lie.
 
KJV1611 said:
Can’t you see Gods personality and fingerprints on this story in kings and chronicles? He baits the reader to fall for the “error” by breaking the truth up in hidden sections so that the only way to arrive at the truth is by believing every word. He did the same thing in the gospels.
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If it's inerrant and every word is to be believed, you're still in trouble, because even if 2 Kings 8 and 2 Chronicles 22 refer to different men named Ahaziah (I don't accept that they do), you still have a contradiction because 1 Chronicles 3 only lists one.
 
John146 said:
God will lead the skeptic to believe a lie.
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I personally think that a real fanatic believes in much more lies than a real skeptic. I witness it all the time.

I think that to have an open mind is a good position between these two.
 
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KJV1611 said:
This appears to be another mistake.

How did the same Jehoram die from an arrow in the heart at the same time he died from a bowel disease given to him by God?

2Ki 9:24 And Jehu drew a bow with his full strength, and smote Jehoram between his arms, and the arrow went out at his heart, and he sunk down in his chariot.

2Ch 21:19And it came to pass, that in process of time, after the end of two years, his (Jehoram) bowels fell out by reason of his sickness: so he died of sored iseases. And his people made no burning for him, like the burning of his fathers.
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There are two different Biblical traditions on numbering the years of kings.

By one method a year of a reign is numbered from 1 Abib to 29 Adar and any part of a year is numbered as a year.

By the other method a king's reign is numbered from day of accession to day of accession and only full years are counted.
 
Dino246 said:
Chapter and verse for this please.

I counter it with John 20:25-29. Thomas was a skeptic, and Jesus didn't lead him to believe a lie.
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2 Thessalonians 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
 
John146 said:
2 Thessalonians 2
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
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What a gross misuse of scripture! That's talking about the Antichrist spirit not modern Bible translations.
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
What a gross misuse of scripture! That's talking about the Antichrist spirit not modern Bible translations.
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To me, they are one and the same. Don't take that the wrong way. The translators are not evil and satanic, neither was Eve. But they were mislead to reject the word of God to make a new bible with different words, different truths, different doctrines.
 
Lucy-Pevensie said:
What a gross misuse of scripture! That's talking about the Antichrist spirit not modern Bible translations.
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That’s why they’re on ignore. They call our bibles corrupt, works of the devil, satanic, evil, vile, gross books, &c. And when we attack back, they cry like a baby with a wet diaper.

#Waah!
 
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