The Rapture

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Reject all you want good buddy. Doesn't make you right about anything. Stay in the Word and do so earnestly and honestly with prayer. Early church tradition is wrong. It was based on a third hand account by someone who wasn't alive and he repeated it 35 years after he supposedly heard it. Revelation was all about the end of Israel in 70 AD. Read Josephus and educate yourself. That's the best advise I can give you.
There you go with your assertion that a book about end times prophecies happened in 70AD. When did the tribulation occur? The prophecy states if it was not shortened all life on earth would be killed. When did that happen??? Daniel and Revelation go hand in hand. When did the rapture occur. I don't know where you got that idea from but it is contrary to eschatology. Too many prophecies not fulfilled. Read Daniel and Revelation again looking at the devastation that did not happen. Only today can our weapons make this kind of destruction possible.
 

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Thanks for sharing. I totally recognize how much the spiritual realm influences us. You shared some interesting things which I will ponder. However, May is right around the corner. Let's see if your prediction comes true. An agreement to build a third temple is to be reached in May, 2018. We shall see. Then we will all be able to judge by your fruits my dear fellow.
Well written and fair enough. Though I'm starting to get the feel that I won't be allowed to write here after May. I'm afraid to ask for now. If this Angel is truly from God the Father, and I believe 100 percent that he is, then this sign will come to pass. If so go back to what I shared that set everyone off about the Rapture. And please reconsider this Tribulation Period has already happened theory that you believe.
 

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God doesn't break His covenants, no matter what? Really!!??? You might want to read Zec 11 again because this was talking about 70 AD.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]So I fed the flock for slaughter, in particular the poor of the flock.I took for myself two staffs: the one I called Beauty,[SUP][c][/SUP] and the other I called Bonds;[SUP][d][/SUP] and I fed the flock.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I dismissed the three shepherds in one month. My soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then I said, “I will not feed you. Let what is dying die, and what is perishing perish. Let those that are left eat each other’s flesh.” [SUP]10 [/SUP]And I took my staff, Beauty, and cut it in two, that I might break the covenant which I had made with all the peoples. [SUP]11 [/SUP]So it was broken on that day.​


Ooops. might want to reconsider that one good buddy.


One for you to consider friend.....
When God made the Abrahamic Covenant with Abraham he had Abraham take some animals and cut them in half. Abraham laid pieces on one side and the other pieces on the other side. Then God put Abraham in a deep sleep and came down cloaked in smoke and walked in between the pieces. Do you know why he did it this way?

In ancient times, when two kings were making a treaty together, it was customary for the kings to take animals and cut them asunder. Then they would Both walk in between the pieces in a figure 8. This was to signify to the other King that if they should break their treaty than what was done to these animals would and should be done unto them.

God walked between the pieces by himself. This was signifying that no matter what you do on your side of this treaty, I will not break my part of this treaty. Now God punishes Israel for breaking their side of the covenant but he has not abandoned his side of the covenant. This means God still recognizes the Israelites to this day. When they repent and accept Jesus as the God's Messiah their earthly blessings will be restored once again as promised repeatedly by God himself. Do not take his chastisement on the Israelites as his sign of reneging on his side of the Abrahamic Covenant. Quite the contrary, if God didn't love Israel he would do nothing to them. He reproves those he loves, remember?
 

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Me again,

While I'm on this subject, not that I ever get off this subject, below is something else roadkill said in his post:



The above definitely is not in accordance with the following scripture:

"How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers
! Pray that your flight will not occur in the winter or on the Sabbath. For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be shortened."

Regarding the above, I'm sure that you will agree that, and as the scripture makes clear, that the reference regarding pregnant women during "those days" is referring to the great tribulation period, which demonstrates that the women of Israel will indeed be conceiving children during those times. Yet Roadkill stated that "no children will be conceived during the tribulation period." So, we have a big contention here between the written word of God and what the so-called angle told Roadkill.
No contention on my part.
This was a double lapped prophecy given by Jesus.
During the Destruction of The Temple Mount and the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD it was well documented what the Romans did to small children and nursing mothers. It was also recorded that Jewish mothers ate their young because of the lack of food. Again that destruction did not happen in winter, so he is speaking of two events at once. The second event is yet to come. The pregnant and nursing mothers part refers to the first event of 70 AD. Do you think God is going to poor out his wrath on the innocent? You really don't understand God's merciful nature if you do. All the other events, though seen by God and even orchestrated by him, were done by man. This Tribulation Period will be done by God's Angels.
 
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[video=youtube;RBWZVpdAM08]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBWZVpdAM08[/video]
 

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If he was visited by a spiritual being it obviously wasn't from God since it gave information contrary to scripture!! He is blinded to this fact!!
He affirmed Revelation chapter 12 verse 1 and gave the date for this sign appearing over Jerusalem at 12 noon their time on November 22, 2065. How did he contradict scripture again? You can go to an online Orrery or some other Solar System Simulation and see for yourself this sign.

He established a time frame for the Rapture (another Biblical concept) as happening in a space of time 60 days before this event. Again, how did he contradict scripture?

He gave specific details of the Rapture. How did this contradict scripture as this is a CHURCH related MYSTERY and the Scriptures do not touch on this very often and very vaguely?

So give me some facts please? Accusations without proof is UNBIBLICAL and CONTRARY to SCRIPTURE! Your own words judge you.
 

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A point of clarification.
1. The temple was in the City of David. That started from the south of the the temple mount towards the west end and went south from there. The "wailing wall" is what is left of a Roman fort.
2. Jesus told his disciples to look toward the temple complex at a distance and told them not one stone would be left on another
3. Josephus recorded the destruction of the temple complex as a person watching it. He stated that if he hadn't watched it he wouldn't have known where it stood.

So the temple complex was never on the temple mount.
And yet the New Testament Gospels repeatedly tell that Jesus went into Jerusalem to go to the Temple Mount. LOL
 

Roadkill

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If he was visited by a spiritual being it obviously wasn't from God since it gave information contrary to scripture!! He is blinded to this fact!!
You make a mistake here my friend. Your Interpretations of the Scriptures are not Necessarily the Facts of the Scriptures.
I'll give you an example.

I KINGS chapter 13 verse 18 has a misinterpretation here. Without giving it away can you figure it out? It makes no sense in what the Old Prophet in Bethel did for the deceased Man of God out of Judah with the way this verse is translated. If you figure this out you will discover a great secret concerning testing of Prophets and Men of God by God himself.
 

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He affirmed Revelation chapter 12 verse 1 and gave the date for this sign appearing over Jerusalem at 12 noon their time on November 22, 2065. How did he contradict scripture again? You can go to an online Orrery or some other Solar System Simulation and see for yourself this sign.

He established a time frame for the Rapture (another Biblical concept) as happening in a space of time 60 days before this event. Again, how did he contradict scripture?

He gave specific details of the Rapture. How did this contradict scripture as this is a CHURCH related MYSTERY and the Scriptures do not touch on this very often and very vaguely?

So give me some facts please? Accusations without proof is UNBIBLICAL and CONTRARY to SCRIPTURE! Your own words judge you.
Scripture states Jesus saying no one knows the date and time but the Father. Therefore any assertion of knowledge of this is absolutely not true.

Mark 13 AMPC

24 But in those days, after [the affliction and oppression and distress of] that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
25 And the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great (kingly) power and glory (majesty and splendor).
27 And then He will send out the angels and will gather together His elect (those He has [m]picked out for Himself) from the four winds, from the farthest bounds of the earth to the farthest bounds of heaven.
28 Now learn a lesson from the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and it puts forth its leaves, you recognize and know that summer is near.
29 So also, when you see these things happening, you may recognize and know that He is near, at [the very] door.
30 Surely I say to you, this generation ([n]the whole multitude of people living at that one time) positively will not perish or pass away before all these things take place.
31 Heaven and earth will perish and pass away, but My words will not perish or pass away.
32 But of that day or that hour not a [single] person knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
 
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Roadkill

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I can see that Roadkill is seriously confused about the Rapture and the Second Coming (as addressed in your post), so I have to wonder as to which kind of angel has been communicating with him. Beware of lying spirits!
First, tested this angel with 1st John chapter 4 verses 1-3. He passed
Second, this angel helps with demonic warfare. No demon does this as stated by Jesus.
Third, he does not contradict scripture. He confirms it and clarifies vague things not clearly stated by the Scriptures. He enhances the Scriptures always with more detail than what I had before I asked of him. He answers not all my questions because some of them are non of my business. I have to be precise in my questions or he will not answer them.

He has given a sign for you on this sight. It is something I am waiting to see happen though I completely believe him.
Wait for May and let's see who he is from because predictions that are from God are 100 0/0 agreed?

When this comes to past you should give weight to what has been given here.

All of this concerns the Rapture of the Church, not the Second Coming of Jesus to Reign on Earth.
That would be the Non of your Business part. LOL

If you know of another way to test an angel other than this piece of scripture, let me know and I'll try it.
 

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Scripture states Jesus saying no one knows the date and time but the Father. Therefore any assertion of knowledge of this is absolutely not true.

Mark 13 AMPC

24 But in those days, after [the affliction and oppression and distress of] that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light;
25 And the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.
26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great (kingly) power and glory (majesty and splendor).
27 And then He will send out the angels and will gather together His elect (those He has [m]picked out for Himself) from the four winds, from the farthest bounds of the earth to the farthest bounds of heaven.
28 Now learn a lesson from the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and it puts forth its leaves, you recognize and know that summer is near.
29 So also, when you see these things happening, you may recognize and know that He is near, at [the very] door.
30 Surely I say to you, this generation ([n]the whole multitude of people living at that one time) positively will not perish or pass away before all these things take place.
31 Heaven and earth will perish and pass away, but My words will not perish or pass away.
32 But of that day or that hour not a [single] person knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Daniel was clearly told that in the end times more would be Revealed. Revelation is proof of this. Is Revelation the last of it? He is not contradicting Revelation, he is adding detail or bringing it more clearly into focus.
I touch on the RAPTURE not the Second Coming of Jesus. No one knows the day or hour of that EVENT.
And even so, concerning the RAPTURE, has a day or hour been given?

I even asked this Angel that if the Apostles had faith enough to ask Jesus for the Season and the Year if he would have told them. He said yes........he would have told them the season and the year.

Even so Mark chapter 13 is about the Second Coming of Jesus, a different event than the Rapture of the Church Age. I have said nothing concerning the Second Coming of Jesus. So where's the contradiction again?
 
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First of all the Second Coming of Jesus and the Rapture are two separate events. Jesus' second coming will come in the twinkling of an eye. The Rapture is not so.


The Rapture is a 3 day event. As the Sun passes over at 12 noon on parts of the Earth at those time zones these events will occur in full view of all mankind and undeniable.

The second and final rapture will occur on the last day or what Job calls the latter day . Because worms have consummed the corrupted flesh and temporal corrupted spirit has returned to the father those who have not the Spirt of Christ wil not be raised on the last day. When those dead asleep in heaven (new creatures) and those new creatues on earth that riegning with him ..Both wil hear the call simotantiously in the twinkling of the eye.

The demonstration was a three day work a living work called hell or the belly of the whale or heart of the earth .
 

Roadkill

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Hello again,

Below is basically what Roadkill wrote, which is what prompted me to respond to his post:

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Boy just remember that you asked for this! Lol

First of all the Second Coming of Jesus and the Rapture are two separate events. Jesus' second coming will come in the twinkling of an eye. The Rapture is not so.

The Rapture is a 3 day event. As the Sun passes over at 12 noon on parts of the Earth at those time zones these events will occur in full view of all mankind and undeniable.

1st Day
All the dead in Christ will burst from the graves transfigured and will ascend to heaven. This event will cause many to believe on Jesus Christ.

2nd Day
Everyone living 25 years and down who believe on Jesus Christ, will Transfigure in full view of mankind and ascend to Heaven. This includes those 25 year olds and on down who came to believe because of the previous day of the dead arising in Christ. The unborn children in their mothers wombs will also Transfigure and no children will be conceived to men for the duration of the Tribulation Period. Also all innocent minded humans will Transfigure too, in example, those like people with Dow's Syndrome and other afflictions of the mind. God will not allow any innocent persons to suffer through the Tribulation Period of his wrath.

3rd Day
All others 25 years and Older who believe on Jesus Christ.
This includes everyone who believed on Jesus because of the first 2 day's events of the Rapture even if they are 25 years and younger.

God's mercies towards mankind are Wonderful!

There it is, rip at it all you want. It does me no harm because I am anonymous and will remain the same. Would you like to know the year and the season? Would you like to know the exact day of the sign in the sky of Revelation chapter 12 which is the Mid Trib marker of the last 3 and 1\2 years of the Tribulation Period?

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There is nothing in scripture that would suggest that the gathering of the church takes place over a 3 day period by that by age groups! And as far as I can see, there the rest of the world is not going to see the gathering of the church, but will only be aware of it once it takes place.

He also states that the Lord's return to end the age (second coming) will take place in the "twinkling of an eye" but that the gathering doesn't. This is not in accordance with scripture, as I am sure that you will agree. The second coming cannot and will not take place in the twinkling of an eye. On the contrary, we are told that a multitude of signs will take place leading up to the Lord's return. And when He does return to the earth, it will be on the clouds of the sky and every eye will see him. So the inhabitants of the earth will have plenty of indicators marking the Lord's return. It is the gathering of the church which will take place in an "atomos" i.e. a time to short to divide, in the twinkling of an eye and not the second coming.

In addition, you have two people claiming to have received information from God, either through an angel or by God Himself, namely, DiscipleDave and Roadkill, and they are not in agreement with each other regarding what God told them! If they had truly received information from God, they should be in agreement on every detail.

The truth will be revealed come May!

First, I don't speak to God. This is his angel that I have been given the courtesy to speak with and this is not his primary task. He's a Guardian Angel for my Wife. That's his primary task, to protect my wife from demonic forces.

Second, Jesus's return will indeed be in a Twinkling of an Eye. Different event from Rapture of the Church Age.

Third, The Rapture of the Church is never explicitly mentioned in the New Testament but we are in agreement that this will occur. So here is a Truth that is not written in scripture yet we perceive it to be true. How is this? So what he is telling me about the Rapture is not written in scripture at all. I've testified to this. So how am I contradicting the Scriptures again?

Yes, waiting with Exasperation until May because you knuckle heads are very tiring to say the least. LOL
 

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And yet the New Testament Gospels repeatedly tell that Jesus went into Jerusalem to go to the Temple Mount. LOL
Scripture reference please.

The wailing wall is a part of a Roman fort.

Jesus talking to his disciples at a distance from the temple complex told them not one stone would be left on another.
Josephus recorded that he watched the Romans destroy the temple and if he hadn't watched it he wouldn't have known where it stood Therefore the wailing wall was never part of the temple complex.

Since the wall was part of a Roman fort how could the temple complex be there as well?
 

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First of all the Second Coming of Jesus and the Rapture are two separate events. Jesus' second coming will come in the twinkling of an eye. The Rapture is not so.


The Rapture is a 3 day event. As the Sun passes over at 12 noon on parts of the Earth at those time zones these events will occur in full view of all mankind and undeniable.

The second and final rapture will occur on the last day or what Job calls the latter day . Because worms have consummed the corrupted flesh and temporal corrupted spirit has returned to the father those who have not the Spirt of Christ wil not be raised on the last day. When those dead asleep in heaven (new creatures) and those new creatues on earth that riegning with him ..Both wil hear the call simotantiously in the twinkling of the eye.

The demonstration was a three day work a living work called hell or the belly of the whale or heart of the earth .
Yes, the 3 days are in HONOR of
The Father
The Son
and THE Holy Spirit

Can you perceive the truth?
 

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Your wife? :confused:

There's no such thing as angles. And angels don't talk to us, nor we to them..


First, I don't speak to God. This is his angel that I have been given the courtesy to speak with and this is not his primary task. He's a Guardian Angel for my Wife. That's his primary task, to protect my wife from demonic forces.

Second, Jesus's return will indeed be in a Twinkling of an Eye. Different event from Rapture of the Church Age.

Third, The Rapture of the Church is never explicitly mentioned in the New Testament but we are in agreement that this will occur. So here is a Truth that is not written in scripture yet we perceive it to be true. How is this? So what he is telling me about the Rapture is not written in scripture at all. I've testified to this. So how am I contradicting the Scriptures again?

Yes, waiting with Exasperation until May because you knuckle heads are very tiring to say the least. LOL
 

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Addendum
The temple was in the City of David. That starts at the south part of the mount at the west end and went south from there.
 

Roadkill

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Scripture reference please.

The wailing wall is a part of a Roman fort.

Jesus talking to his disciples at a distance from the temple complex told them not one stone would be left on another.
Josephus recorded that he watched the Romans destroy the temple and if he hadn't watched it he wouldn't have known where it stood Therefore the wailing wall was never part of the temple complex.

Since the wall was part of a Roman fort how could the temple complex be there as well?
Incorrect assumption on your part. In 516 king Herod wanted to build a larger Temple so he had to make the Mount larger in square feet to accomplish this. He built a retaining wall around the Mount and back filled it with dirt to form the foundation for his Second Temple. This is part of this retaining wall that held the dirt for the foundation of the Temple. The Temple indeed was destroyed down to the foundation stones and most of the retaining wall also. But because the Romans had incorporated this section of the retaining wall into their fort it was left there.

And you have no Scriptural reference to contradict this. All you are going by is what Josephus wrote. Not divinely inspired and therefor a flawed representation of History.
 

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Daniel was clearly told that in the end times more would be Revealed. Revelation is proof of this. Is Revelation the last of it? He is not contradicting Revelation, he is adding detail or bringing it more clearly into focus.
I touch on the RAPTURE not the Second Coming of Jesus. No one knows the day or hour of that EVENT.
And even so, concerning the RAPTURE, has a day or hour been given?

I even asked this Angel that if the Apostles had faith enough to ask Jesus for the Season and the Year if he would have told them. He said yes........he would have told them the season and the year.

Even so Mark chapter 13 is about the Second Coming of Jesus, a different event than the Rapture of the Church Age. I have said nothing concerning the Second Coming of Jesus. So where's the contradiction again?
You love to rewrite what the Bible plainly states. Jesus comes and the rapture happens at the same time. That is what the verses I quoted state. It starts with the second coming of Christ. Verse 27 talks about the Rapture. So go back to the drawing board and try again.
 

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Your wife? :confused:

There's no such thing as angles. And angels don't talk to us, nor we to them..
Both are untrue statements and Unbiblical too.


In Geometry there are Angles. LOL Trigonometry too!

In the Bible it states that we should beware of how we treat strangers because some have met angels and entertained them unknowingly. Hebrews 13:2

Who did Zechariah and Mary have speak to them? Who did Jesus have minister to Him?

The truth of the matter is this, everyone that has ever lived has had an Angel speak to them. Although 99 percent of them have had it happen as a small child or in their dreams. Non the less this statement is true to this day.