GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Acts 5:34-39
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
KJV
Here is respect from another source
The only real disrespect you will find is in the Jerusalem Talmud.
Even Josephus, Herodotus, and Philo are not overtly disrespectful.
34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
35 And said unto them, Ye men of Israel, take heed to yourselves what ye intend to do as touching these men.
36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.
KJV
Here is respect from another source
The only real disrespect you will find is in the Jerusalem Talmud.
Even Josephus, Herodotus, and Philo are not overtly disrespectful.
You are correct and of course the thousands of Jews who converted to Christianity and followed Jesus are evidence of that.
My 'unrest' I can't think of any other way to describe it, stems unfortunately from things that are said, or have been said, in today's forums. I have no wish to upset you, whose knowledge I respect, or anyone else. It is just that I hate the name of Jesus being dragged through the mud. Yours in Christ.
My 'unrest' I can't think of any other way to describe it, stems unfortunately from things that are said, or have been said, in today's forums. I have no wish to upset you, whose knowledge I respect, or anyone else. It is just that I hate the name of Jesus being dragged through the mud. Yours in Christ.
What a long list when a short one would suffice. Cain killed Abel because of his failed sacrifice and Abel's accepted one. Can't get any earlier than that. A sacrifice was for removing the sins from the previous year. For there to be sin there had to be the law to break since sin is transgression of the law.
So you went from Colossians 2:14 being about our offences being blotted out.
To it being about doctrines of men
Verse 16 starts with "Let no man therefore" Therefore means that what is about to be said is connected to what was previously stated. This fact takes us back to verse 2:14. There is no way around that.
Verse 14 “Having blotted out the handwriting to the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
It is the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us that were blotted out not the ordinances themselves and definitely not the Decalogue.
Colossians 2:14 is referring to the Book of the Law. Verse 16 makes it clear that the writer of Colossians is referring to the Book of the Law because it quotes it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)
As was shared above the word therefore connects verse 16 to verse 14. The ordinances mentioned in verse 16 were handwritten in the book of the Law. Therefore the writer is speaking of the book of the Law in verse 14 not commandments of men and certainly not the Decalogue.
Originally Posted by PS
..... our offences has been blotted out!
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:11-15 KJV)
Our names have been written into the Lambs Book of Life.
..... our offences has been blotted out!
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:11-15 KJV)
Our names have been written into the Lambs Book of Life.
Verse 14 “Having blotted out the handwriting to the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”
It is the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us that were blotted out not the ordinances themselves and definitely not the Decalogue.
Colossians 2:14 is referring to the Book of the Law. Verse 16 makes it clear that the writer of Colossians is referring to the Book of the Law because it quotes it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)
As was shared above the word therefore connects verse 16 to verse 14. The ordinances mentioned in verse 16 were handwritten in the book of the Law. Therefore the writer is speaking of the book of the Law in verse 14 not commandments of men and certainly not the Decalogue.
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So you went from Colossians 2:14 being about our offences being blotted out.
I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
(Isa 43:25 KJV)
To it being about AVOIDING the false doctrines of men like SDA who stand in judgement and say otherwise.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (Col 2:16 KJV)
(I wish we had more time to edit our posts moderators.)
yes, that's my thinking too
the 10 C are spoken by God and written down by Moses (by hand)
in addition to being written by God on stone
Exodus 24: 4. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
the 10 C are spoken by God and written down by Moses (by hand)
in addition to being written by God on stone
Exodus 24: 4. And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Ancient Judaism
The scapegoat was a goat that was designated (Hebrew לַעֲזָאזֵֽל ) la-aza'zeyl; "for absolute removal", (for symbolic removal of the people's sins with the literal removal of the goat) and outcast in the desert as part of the ceremonies of the Day of Atonement, that began during the Exodus with the original Tabernacle and continued through the times of the temples in Jerusalem.
Once a year, on Yom Kippur, the Cohen Gadol sacrificed a bull as a sin offering to atone for sins he may have committed unintentionally throughout the year. Subsequently he took two goats and presented them at the door of the tabernacle. Two goats were chosen by lot: one to be "for YHWH", which was offered as a blood sacrifice, and the other to be the scapegoat to be sent away into the wilderness. The blood of the slain goat was taken into the Holy of Holies behind the sacred veil and sprinkled on the mercy seat, the lid of the ark of the covenant. Later in the ceremonies of the day, the High Priest confessed the intentional sins of the Israelites to God placing them figuratively on the head of the other goat, the Azazel scapegoat, who would symbolically "take them away".
Scapegoat - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
The scapegoat was a goat that was designated (Hebrew לַעֲזָאזֵֽל ) la-aza'zeyl; "for absolute removal", (for symbolic removal of the people's sins with the literal removal of the goat) and outcast in the desert as part of the ceremonies of the Day of Atonement, that began during the Exodus with the original Tabernacle and continued through the times of the temples in Jerusalem.
Once a year, on Yom Kippur, the Cohen Gadol sacrificed a bull as a sin offering to atone for sins he may have committed unintentionally throughout the year. Subsequently he took two goats and presented them at the door of the tabernacle. Two goats were chosen by lot: one to be "for YHWH", which was offered as a blood sacrifice, and the other to be the scapegoat to be sent away into the wilderness. The blood of the slain goat was taken into the Holy of Holies behind the sacred veil and sprinkled on the mercy seat, the lid of the ark of the covenant. Later in the ceremonies of the day, the High Priest confessed the intentional sins of the Israelites to God placing them figuratively on the head of the other goat, the Azazel scapegoat, who would symbolically "take them away".
Scapegoat - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat
We can rest now Endoscopy. 
any other purposes for sacrifices?
is this done for sin? maybe
Leviticus 6: 14. And this is the law of the meat offering: the sons of Aaron shall offer it before the LORD, before the altar. 15. And he shall take of it his handful, of the flour of the meat offering, and of the oil thereof, and all the frankincense which is upon the meat offering, and shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the LORD.
is this done for sin? maybe
Leviticus 6: 14. And this is the law of the meat offering: the sons of Aaron shall offer it before the LORD, before the altar. 15. And he shall take of it his handful, of the flour of the meat offering, and of the oil thereof, and all the frankincense which is upon the meat offering, and shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour, even the memorial of it, unto the LORD.
All the offerings, and sacrifices were not done away with. It's that God saw that the people's heart was not set toward him. They were worshiping him with their mouth, but their hearts were far from him. So he made them stop performing offerings and sacrifices. they thought they could sin and still have favor with God because of their offerings and sacrifices. So God declared that he wanted their hearts set toward him. letting them know that their offerings and sacrifices was not going to please him any longer. It was a generation that failed to do as there forefathers did. Some of these offerings and sacrifices will kick back in when Jesus returns. The daily sacrifice for worshiping for sure.