Women should not be allowed to preach in church

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I do regret the post that I made and it was in haste. Angela had previously posted a huge amount of information in a single post and followed it up with one equally as large when the argument she makes is already on the internet and a link to the appropriate site would have been sufficient.
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Not enough. I don't care if you ever let us know what you believe by the time you're done studying the issue. What I want is for you to take your first deep-dive into scripture to learn what sound doctrine looks like.

I admit it. Once Angela gets into foreign alphabets, she loses me. I am forever a monoglot. (I can only speak one language.) BUT, that's just 10% of what she writes. The rest I can get. It gives me a headache trying to get it, but I can get it. Have you ever read a book on an ereader? If you have, you've proven you can read long text and understand most of it, because you want to. Read what Angela says to try and understand.

Understand. A different word than "agree." And, assuming you will disagree with her, take the time to figure out her logic for her position and then do your own hard work to prove your position. (Or better yet, learn God's position.) She really is hard to understand and she does do long posts, (not like I do short posts myself :rolleyes:), but take that as a starting step to see where you agree or disagree. And once there, take the even longer step to studying it in full. Guaranteed you'll grow in the Lord more, if you do just that. Even, if you still end up disagreeing with her, at least you'll have a fuller understanding of why, and will figure out why short posts are hard. lol
 
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Is that a form of exercise? I'm not doing any pole pit that's for sure.
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If it is a form of exercise, don't ask me. I'm allergic to exercising. lol
 
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Wrong Depleted ... Change my first sentence to one that reads "a man that attempts to follow the exact word of God" and everything that I said is perfectly correct ...

1TIM 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1TIM 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1TIM 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1TIM 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

I believe Paul was talking about the church, but you're right I don't see the word "church" so one could surmise that he meant always for the woman to have NO authority over man ...

God most certainly did set "man" to be ruler ...

Genesis 3:16 [SUP]16[/SUP]To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Feminists are not only American's ... They have infested the entire world ... They are just most prevalent in America because most men are so weak of God's will in the U.S. ... No "opinions" of mine in the verses above, just the words of God and Paul who was inspired by God Himself ... Anyone who has conflict with the verses should take that argument up with God ...
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And yet to prove your side of the argument, (which you have absolutely not done at all but to the level of childish banter), you really need to dig into it at the levels she's done it... and I've done it.
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What is my side of the argument? My entire discussion with Angela has been concerned with whether or not 1 Timothy 2:12 is translated correctly in the English. All I did was quote several English translations of the Bible in my response to her post on the phrase "usurp authority" in 2 Timothy 2:12. I haven't even discussed the issue of preaching, being a pastor or anything like that with Angela so the lions share of your comment isn't even applicable.
 
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Instruments are ok, as long as you do it MY way, right?

If they are ok, then they should be ok in any form, don't you think?
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Wrong unless you want to argue that heavy metal is spiritual singing and melody.

[FONT=&quot]Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;[/FONT] Ephesians 5:19
 
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I'm gonna get a big spoon and get some of that grape sherbet.
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On second thought, maybe it's grape sorbet. I'm kinda trending towards that train of thought. They're spelled almost the same and therein lies the confusion. Look about the same too. Quite a conundrum. A real head scratcher.
 
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Icetech said:
I do not deny it. Those quoted verses must be understood in their correct context which is part of the discussion.
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This is rich... you insist on these verses being taken in their plain out-of-context meaning, and now you argue that they must be understood in their correct context? Which is it?
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Icetech said:
So says you! Present your evidence for this.
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Here is the evidence:

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Paul states in 2 Corinthians 3:12 that "we use plainness of speech." It is apparent some people do not like what the Bible has to say.
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Call it what you want, 2 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 are clear and there is nothing that is ambiguous in the text.
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The fact of the matter is that what the Bible says is authoritative. Do you disagree with this?
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Give specific examples and i will be more than happy to clarify my words and if they disagree with what the Bibles states in plain English then I will repent and admit my error on this thread.
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What is my side of the argument? My entire discussion with Angela has been concerned with whether or not 1 Timothy 2:12 is translated correctly in the English. All I did was quote several English translations of the Bible in my response to her post on the phrase "usurp authority" in 2 Timothy 2:12. I haven't even discussed the issue of preaching, being a pastor or anything like that with Angela so the lions share of your comment isn't even applicable.
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This is your entire argument, written before Angela ever gave her argument.
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The Bible warns against "false teachers" 2 Peter 2:1

Anyone teaching something contrary to 1 Timothy 2:12 is a false teacher since Paul states in 1 Timothy 2:7 he is speaking the "truth" and doesn't lie; therefore it would be foolish to listen to such a teacher. (Galatians 3:1)
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Ohhhhhhhh I see, you are one of those type people,"Bible only" no including culture,religious beliefs,or considering time periods.
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What culture and religious beliefs from what time period do you believe to be inspired that I should interpret the inspired word of God with it?
 
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Wrong Depleted ...

God most certainly did set "man" to be ruler ...

Genesis 3:16 [SUP]16[/SUP]To the woman he said, "I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Anyone who has conflict with the verses should take that argument up with God ...
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Please read my post #413, page 21. God's word to Eve was not a commandment, but a statement of certain consequence. Feminism has nothing to do with it, but patriarchy does.
 
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Please read my post #413, page 21. God's word to Eve was not a commandment, but a statement of certain consequence. Feminism has nothing to do with it, but patriarchy does.
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Meh, take it up with God.
 
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Cheese cakes...
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We speak the same language. I think that the slice on the left has been drizzled with a raspberry sauce and the one on the right with Hershey's chocolate syrup. Scrumptious.
 
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