Women should not be allowed to preach in church
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Adam Clarke's commentary:
Verse 7
Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen - As the word συγγενεις signifies relatives, whether male or female, and as Junia may probably be the name of a woman, the wife of Andronicus, it would be better to say relatives than kinsmen.
But probably St. Paul means no more than that they were Jews; for, in Romans 9:3, he calls all the Jews his kinsmen according to the flesh.
Verse 7
Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen - As the word συγγενεις signifies relatives, whether male or female, and as Junia may probably be the name of a woman, the wife of Andronicus, it would be better to say relatives than kinsmen.
But probably St. Paul means no more than that they were Jews; for, in Romans 9:3, he calls all the Jews his kinsmen according to the flesh.
John Gill's Commentary
Jamieson Fausset Brown Commentary
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2458: Ἰουνιᾶς
Ἰουνιᾶς (others, Ἰουνιᾶς, as contracted from Junianus; cf. Winer's Grammar, 102f (97)), Ἰουνια(but cf. Buttmann, 17f (16)), ὁ, Junias, a convert from Judaism, Paul's kinsman and fellow-prisoner: Romans 16:7
Jamieson Fausset Brown Commentary
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2458: Ἰουνιᾶς
Ἰουνιᾶς (others, Ἰουνιᾶς, as contracted from Junianus; cf. Winer's Grammar, 102f (97)), Ἰουνια(but cf. Buttmann, 17f (16)), ὁ, Junias, a convert from Judaism, Paul's kinsman and fellow-prisoner: Romans 16:7
- The majority of Greek New Testament manuscripts give a female name, Junia; a minority give a masculine name, Junias.[SUP][3][/SUP]
The consensus among some modern New Testament scholars is that Junia is referred as a kinsman clearly denoting a woman.[SUP][2][/SUP] The first reference to Junia as a male comes from Origen (late 2nd early 3rd century). This is also the earliest comment on Junia's gender in general. However, this version only appears in a relatively late Medieval copy of Origen's work, which appears to originally speak of Junia as a female.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junia
Some people think that the covering on their heads is a veil,or a cloth like material,but it is not.
1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
The covering is her hair.
1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
And long hair on a man is a shame.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
A man should have short hair for he is in the image of God,which means he should cut his hair,and not let it get too long.Jesus was in the image of God so He would of had short hair.
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
If a woman cuts her hair it is the same as if she were shaven,and she is putting herself in the place of a man.
So God wants a distinction between a man and a woman,and a man should cut his hair,but if he does not then he is putting himself in the position of a woman,and it is a shame to him,and he is not in the image of God,and when he prays or prophesies he dishonors his head.
But a woman should not cut her hair,and if she does she is putting herself in the position of a man,and she dishonors her head.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
The woman should have uncut hair because of the angels,for they have the authority above the angels,as well as all saints,for they will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels,which the Bible says the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints.
Some people will cry legalistic,let us have our hair the way we want,but they do not want to heed scriptures,and that God wants a distinction between a man and a woman on earth.
When they put off the flesh,and have a glorified body in heaven there is no distinction between them,for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the soul and spirit are the same.
1Co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
The covering is her hair.
1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
And long hair on a man is a shame.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
A man should have short hair for he is in the image of God,which means he should cut his hair,and not let it get too long.Jesus was in the image of God so He would of had short hair.
1Co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1Co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
If a woman cuts her hair it is the same as if she were shaven,and she is putting herself in the place of a man.
So God wants a distinction between a man and a woman,and a man should cut his hair,but if he does not then he is putting himself in the position of a woman,and it is a shame to him,and he is not in the image of God,and when he prays or prophesies he dishonors his head.
But a woman should not cut her hair,and if she does she is putting herself in the position of a man,and she dishonors her head.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
The woman should have uncut hair because of the angels,for they have the authority above the angels,as well as all saints,for they will have a higher position in heaven than that of the angels,which the Bible says the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints.
Some people will cry legalistic,let us have our hair the way we want,but they do not want to heed scriptures,and that God wants a distinction between a man and a woman on earth.
When they put off the flesh,and have a glorified body in heaven there is no distinction between them,for the only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh,the soul and spirit are the same.
At this point there is no disagreement between us.
Perhaps I should have said heard the conversation between Eve and the serpent but the implication I was making is that if he had been present then he would have heard the conversation. I do not think Adam was hard of hearing.
Maybe on the other side of the tree or an adjacent tree out of ear shot. Who knows but I think you were implying that he had heard the conversation as that was the subject.
Emphasis is mine. So what was her side of the conversation?
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” (Genesis 3:2-3)
Are these the words of the women that Adam hearkened unto? This is her side of the conversation in its entirety that was recorded for us! We would not be in the mess we are in now if Adam hearkened unto these words!
Where does that leave us? There had to have been a discussion between the man and the woman that isn’t recorded for us. Adam was not deceived by the serpent but convinced by his wife to eat of the fruit. I agree that they came to a consensus and ate the fruit together as stated in Genesis 3:6. It is the fact that Eve was deceived by the serpent that disqualifies women from teaching under the context of 1 Timothy 2:12 and it is this fact that started this discussion in the first place and you seemed to be at odds with this.
Perhaps I should have said heard the conversation between Eve and the serpent but the implication I was making is that if he had been present then he would have heard the conversation. I do not think Adam was hard of hearing.
Maybe on the other side of the tree or an adjacent tree out of ear shot. Who knows but I think you were implying that he had heard the conversation as that was the subject.
Emphasis is mine. So what was her side of the conversation?
“And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.” (Genesis 3:2-3)
Are these the words of the women that Adam hearkened unto? This is her side of the conversation in its entirety that was recorded for us! We would not be in the mess we are in now if Adam hearkened unto these words!
Where does that leave us? There had to have been a discussion between the man and the woman that isn’t recorded for us. Adam was not deceived by the serpent but convinced by his wife to eat of the fruit. I agree that they came to a consensus and ate the fruit together as stated in Genesis 3:6. It is the fact that Eve was deceived by the serpent that disqualifies women from teaching under the context of 1 Timothy 2:12 and it is this fact that started this discussion in the first place and you seemed to be at odds with this.
R
Let me know how successful you are at painless childbirth.
There are just some curses don't end until this creation ends. And the line of authority is one of them.
For example, man is immediately under Christ in the order of authority, but in the age to come he will co-reign with Christ.
Maleness and femaleness will exist until the end of the age. So until then, you go into that bathroom, and I'll go into the other one. No faith in Christ is going to dissolve that difference between the sexes in this age. Only the return of Christ will end it completely.
There are just some curses don't end until this creation ends. And the line of authority is one of them.
For example, man is immediately under Christ in the order of authority, but in the age to come he will co-reign with Christ.
Maleness and femaleness will exist until the end of the age. So until then, you go into that bathroom, and I'll go into the other one. No faith in Christ is going to dissolve that difference between the sexes in this age. Only the return of Christ will end it completely.
R
Reject the word of God if you want to:
"I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ."-1 Corinthians 11:3
Paul wants you to understand this, Stunned. A woman does not have positional authority over a man. By nature she does not have a rightful position of authority over a man. This won't end any sooner than when man will no longer be under Christ but will reign with Christ in the age to come.
"I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ."-1 Corinthians 11:3
Paul wants you to understand this, Stunned. A woman does not have positional authority over a man. By nature she does not have a rightful position of authority over a man. This won't end any sooner than when man will no longer be under Christ but will reign with Christ in the age to come.
Jesus replied, "I chose the twelve of you, didn't I? Yet one of you is a devil!" John 6:70 GNT
While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. John 6:70
Judas was lost. However, the Bible tells us that Jesus chose him as one of the 12.
What Bible verse tells US to subtract Judas' names from the 12? Regardless of Judas' poor decision making, Jesus still chose and listed Judas as 1 of the 12.
What Bible verse tells US to subtract Judas' name from the list?
While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. John 6:70
Judas was lost. However, the Bible tells us that Jesus chose him as one of the 12.
What Bible verse tells US to subtract Judas' names from the 12? Regardless of Judas' poor decision making, Jesus still chose and listed Judas as 1 of the 12.
What Bible verse tells US to subtract Judas' name from the list?
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