KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif]King Cyrus of Persia also refers to Belshazzar when he conquered Babylon in his writings:[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] "A coward was put in charge as the king of this country . . . With evil intents he did away with the regular offerings to the gods . . . and desecrated the worship of the king of his gods, Marduk." BM90920[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] Cyrus's statement that Belshazzar desecrated the worship of his god Marduk matches very closely to the story in the book of Daniel. Although it wasn't Marduk whose handwriting appeared on the wall, but the one true God of Israel.[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] According to the Bible, Belshazzar was holding a feast at the time the city of Babylon was run over by the Medes and Persians.[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] The fall of Babylon as recorded by the ancient historians Herodutus, Berosus and Xenophon verifies this:[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] "Cyrus then dug a trench and diverted the flow of the Euphrates river into the new channel which led to an existing swamp. The level of the river then dropped to such a level that it became like a stream. His army was then able to take the city by marching through the shallow waters . . . The Babylonians at the time were celebrating intensely at a feast to one of their gods and they were taken totally by surprise."[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] Another part of the story bible critics try to attack is[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif]mentioned in Daniel 5:30-31: [/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] "That very night Belshazzar, king of the Chaldeans, was slain. And Darius the Mede received the kingdom, being about sixty-two years old." [/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] Liberal bible scholars say that according to history there was no such man as Darius the Mede and say that the writer of scripture must have gotten him mixed up with a latter king named Darius of Persia. [/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 474"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] But this apparent error can also be explained. First of all the "Babylonian Chronicles" tell us the exact date which Babylon fell. October 13, 539 B.C.[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif]According to historical records a man named Gubaru, a Mede, was appointed by King Cyrus to be ruler in Babylon at this time. Gubaru was born in 601 B.C. which would make him 62 years old when he invaded Babylon. Exactly the age found Daniel 5:31.[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] The Babylonian record of Darius the Mede's conquest of Babylon is given below: [/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] "In the month of Tashritu, at the time when Cyrus battled the forces of Akkad in Opis on the Tigris river, the citizens of Akkad revolted against him, but Nabonidus scattered his opposition with a great slaughter.[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] On the 14th day, Sippar was taken without a fight. Nabonidus then fled for his life.[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] On the 16th day, Gubaru (Darius the Mede) the leader of Gutium along with the army of Cyrus entered Babylon without any opposition. Later they arrested Nabonidus when he returned to Babylon.[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] On the third day of the month of Arahshamnu, Cyrus marched into Babylon, and they laid down green branches in front of him. The city was no longer at war, Peace being restored. Cyrus then sent his best wishes to the residents living there. His governor, Gubaru, then installed leaders to govern over all Babylon." BM35382[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] This account says that Darius the Mede installed sub-governors in Babylon. The Bible says the same thing, and the prophet Daniel was one of them:[/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] "It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom one hundred and twenty satraps, to be over the whole kingdom; and over these, three governors, of whom Daniel was one, that the satraps might give account to them, so that the king would suffer no loss. [/FONT][/TD]
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[TD="width: 473"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, Sanserif] Then this Daniel distinguished himself above the governors and satraps, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king gave thought to setting him over the whole realm. So the governors and satraps sought to find some charge against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find no charge or fault, because he was faithful; nor was there any error or fault found in him." Daniel 6:1-4[/FONT][/TD]
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Dino246 said:
You're conflating two concepts: "pure, perfect, and without error", and "inspired". The two are not synonymous.



Is God's word available in every language? Has it always been available in every language? Um, no. History and the current need for Bible translation refutes this line of argumentation.

You're also ignoring the words of the Preface to the Reader... again.



See what I wrote to John146 above. You are taking my statement incorrectly, by the way.
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How is it that you know God's word hasn't been available to his people in all languages? I mean think about it, from the time the new testament was given we see the Holy Spirit immediately translating the words of God into multiple languages.

If God didn't continue this work beyond the book of Acts then 2 Timothy 2:15 is not possible and therefor a false statement.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Isaiah 14 King James Version (KJV)

14 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Here is the question I believe needs to be asked about verse 1.

When did the Lord simultaneously have mercy on Jacob, choose Israel again and join Israel to strangers? I say this happened when the gospel was preached to the Gentiles and they became one with Jacob in Israel... Israel being saved Jews and saved Gentiles.

When do you think verse 1 is talking about?
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The Lord will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Foreigners will join them and unite with the descendants of Jacob.[Isa. 14:1]

Jacob and Israel are interchangeable terms. Verse 1 speaks of Israel.

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the Lord’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.[vs 2]

Here is where nations overtake Israel, but in God's timing, those who captured Israel(Jacob) will become their servants/slaves.

On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you,


There will come a time when Babylon will no longer rule over them. Cyrus the Persian, as trofimus already stated, defeated Babylon, and in Daniel 6, Darius is over Israel in what appears to be a governor's capacity. Trof has more knowledge on this than I do, and if I am wrong, I want him to correct me.


you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended![vs 4]

Here, the context is the king of Babylon. The time will come when his rule of him would cease. It's not about Lucifer, another name for Satan, but the king of Babylon. Maybe it was Nabonidus?
 
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Chester said:
Just curious, SovereignGrace, What about the quotes from KJV1611?

Have you always been a KJV only fan, or did KJV1611 win you over?
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I was once a KJVO, just not to the extreme these KJVO'ers are. I know the errors of it, and that's why I confront it in the manner I do.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
I was once a KJVO, just not to the extreme these KJVO'ers are. I know the errors of it, and that's why I confront it in the manner I do.
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I see! LOL! So you don't believe those quotes, but have them on display for the world to see! LOL! :rolleyes:
 
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SovereignGrace said:
The Lord will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Foreigners will join them and unite with the descendants of Jacob.[Isa. 14:1]

Jacob and Israel are interchangeable terms. Verse 1 speaks of Israel.

Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the Lord’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors.[vs 2]

Here is where nations overtake Israel, but in God's timing, those who captured Israel(Jacob) will become their servants/slaves.

On the day the Lord gives you relief from your suffering and turmoil and from the harsh labor forced on you,


There will come a time when Babylon will no longer rule over them. Cyrus the Persian, as trofimus already stated, defeated Babylon, and in Daniel 6, Darius is over Israel in what appears to be a governor's capacity. Trof has more knowledge on this than I do, and if I am wrong, I want him to correct me.


you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended![vs 4]

Here, the context is the king of Babylon. The time will come when his rule of him would cease. It's not about Lucifer, another name for Satan, but the king of Babylon. Maybe it was Nabonidus?
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When did Isaiah 14:1 happen?
 
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SovereignGrace said:
I am not for sure. When do you think this happened?
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We know it happened/happens on the day of the Lord because that is given in Isaiah 13:9. If I were a betting man then I would wager all of my money on you believing the day of the Lord is future but I believe it happened at the first coming of Christ... When the gentiles were joined to Israel and the burden was lifted from Jacob.

Regardless of when the day of the Lord is/was, the king of Babylon WAS NOT any ancient king.

[h=1]Isaiah 13:9 KJV[/h][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh,
cruel both with wrath and fierce anger,
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KJV1611 said:
We know it happened/happens on the day of the Lord because that is given in Isaiah 13:9. If I were a betting man then I would wager all of my money on you believing the day of the Lord is future but I believe it happened at the first coming of Christ... When the gentiles were joined to Israel and the burden was lifted from Jacob.

Regardless of when the day of the Lord is/was, the king of Babylon WAS NOT any ancient king.

Isaiah 13:9 KJV

9 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh,
cruel both with wrath and fierce anger,
to lay the land desolate:
and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
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Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.[1 Thess. 5:1-3]

Looks to be a future event according to Paul.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.[1 Thess. 5:1-3]

Looks to be a future event according to Paul.
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I don't want to debate this right now because I want to stay on the Lucifer subject. I will be more than happy to come back to this later.
 
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Here's something else to chew on...

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.[2 Peter 3:10]

Peter also refers to the day of the Lord as a future event.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
Here's something else to chew on...

But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.[2 Peter 3:10]

Peter also refers to the day of the Lord as a future event.
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I know all the verses. :)

If Lucifer is not an ancient Babylonian king then who is Lucifer?
 
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Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[SUP] [/SUP]is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.[2 Thess. 1:1-4]

Apostle Paul warns them about a false teaching that the day of the Lord has already happened. If its not a future event, why the warning?
 
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