Just a question I thought I would propose. I believe Satan and Lucifer are one in the same but on another site someone says no.
Is Lucifer actually Satan?
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"satan" means "adversary".
"lucifer" means "bearer of light".
So terms are not the same, one is negative, the second one is positive.
If you are talking about the use of "lucifer" in Isaiah and the use of "satan" in the New Testament, they are one being, IMHO.
It's the same entity (the devil) but Lucifer isn't his name. It's a title. The title translated into Latin. A 'light-bearer' or 'shining one'. Son of the dawn, son of the morning. A pre-fall designation. Not a name as in Tom, Dick or Harry.
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The Op probably should have been... "Was Lucifer(capitalized to symbolize he was once for God)the name of satan in heaven"?
But as for your Op in a sense no satan is not actually Lucifer,because though he is mentioned under that name in the bible it's not quite "suitable" probably better to refer to him as a "former arc angel" since from what I have gathered here Lucifer is Latin and some people think it a misplaced title because of this.
But the point is that his "name" when he was "serving God" is certainly not the same as his name now since he is "against God".
Yes, one in the same father of all lies.
Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Luke 10:18
So He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
And wasn't Satan before he decided to "become like God" a beautiful angel. Thus, Lucifer - light - would make sense to me.
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Lucifer is Satan. Just ignore the naysayers, and don't forget that Satan loves to promote myths about himself. So study Scripture, and discover for yourself that a very beautiful angel became the Evil One, and cause a multitude of angels to rebel.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Rev 12:9).
And this from one who actually believes the fantasies of Preterism.
Is Lucifer actually Satan?
No.
Its the king of Babylon. Either Nebuchadnezzar or his grandson Belshazzar.
No.
Its the king of Babylon. Either Nebuchadnezzar or his grandson Belshazzar.
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UnderGrace
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I have read that Lucifer was initially a descriptive term, not a name, which came from the Latin Vulgate and used by the KJV translators.
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Yes I agree, in Isaiah God was talking about , or to "lucifer"
Who once was just under God, at his very Throne.
"lucifer" means "bearer of light".
The Devil had already fallen by the time of the garden as the sly snake.
in Isaiah: I think several verses he then [jumps to] like talking [to a man ],
a man I think , who the devil [gives power to] in the end time.
"Satan" means "adversary" Devil.
The dragon gave [him] his power, his throne, and great authority.
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Yes, here is some further evidence,
In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."
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The scholars authorized by King James I to translate the Bible into then current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and, ironically, the Prince of Darkness.
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/luciferaproblemforchristianity.html
In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."
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The scholars authorized by King James I to translate the Bible into then current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and, ironically, the Prince of Darkness.
http://jdstone.org/cr/files/luciferaproblemforchristianity.html