Women should not be allowed to preach in church

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Exactly. Keeping in mind that Paul was not merely concocting his teachings, but was receiving them from God the Holy Spirit, it is God who tells Christians that because Eve was willingly deceived, women have to pay the price, not just here, but also in the pains of childbirth. Ellen G. white was another one who was willingly deceived, and thus many false doctrines were incorporated into the SDA church.

Willingly? Adding to scripture?

1 Timothy 2 KJV
14 [FONT=&quot]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[/FONT]

 

[Blain]

I can't imagine a church of Bible believing christians where the men wouldn't stand up in the face of heresy. I think the argument is pure fantasy and what is described is a den of wolves in sheep clothing and not a church. She should leave because they aren't interested in the truth to begin with.

[FONT="]Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great [B]plainness[/B][B] of speech[/B]:[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="] 2 Corinthians 3:12[/FONT]

Yes and many also cannot imagine a Christian who claims to be love showing anything but. I'm sorry to say but we Christians as a whole rarely stand up for the truth like that because many in the body of Christ are Christians by title only. Believe me a day is coming and is at our door as we speak when the wheat and the chaff will separated and the the Christians by title and the Christians by heart will be divided and seen and known clearly for who they are and on that day you will be surprised by the numbers of the divided on each side

 

[Bladerunner]

The legalistic mindset here is terrible.

OH,,,,care to expand upon that?????

 

[oldethennew]

women are the 'back-bone' of Jesus' Holy Church, we pray for those who are blinded to this
will eventually come to God's Reality...

 

[Bladerunner]

Willingly? Adding to scripture?

1 Timothy 2 KJV
14 [FONT="]And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.[/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]



[COLOR="#0000CD"]Your right of course but ADAM did sin because of his LOVE for EVE. Rather than let John pass Judgement on her (probably Death) alone, He ate of the Fruit. "For the LOVE of a Woman"

 

[Bladerunner]

women are the 'back-bone' of Jesus' Holy Church, we pray for those who are blinded to this
will eventually come to God's Reality...

A good woman is the Backbone in many families and organizations.....BUT in this case, the Bible (GOD's WORD) is very specific?

 

[Bladerunner]

Your right of course but ADAM did sin because of his LOVE for EVE. Rather than let John pass Judgement on her (probably Death) alone, He ate of the Fruit. "For the LOVE of a Woman"

than let John pass Judgement on her was in Error.....Too many things on an OLD mind.......Please substitute GOD in John's place.

This section should have read: 'than let God pass Judgement on her (probably Death) alone,'


and please forgive the error.

Blade

 

[Dino246]

So why mention that it was Eve and not Adam that was deceived? Furthermore, why does he then use it as proof that women shouldn't teach?

I don't have the book with me to give you the full answer, but it has to do with the false teaching being promoted. Rather than garble it, I'll respond when I have the reference at hand.

 

[Dino246]

to those who are not of the world
we know from history what a jezebel did to a kingdom.
And we are Reminded by the Comforter, not to tolerate such.


Let a woman learn in peace, fully submitted;
but I do not permit a woman to teach a man or exercise authority over him; rather, she is to remain at peace.

So because one completely pagan woman caused some trouble for Israel 2700 years ago, women in the Christian church should keep silent?

What utter rot and a fine example of a non sequitur.

 

[Dino246]

Adam was not there when Eve ate the Fruit.

Genesis 3:6 disagrees with you:

When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

 

[Blain]

I actually have an honest question for those who believe a women should not teach or speak in church. If a mother is in church with her child and her child asks what the gospel is and why Jesus had to die and she explains it and teaches her child this has the mother then in god's eyes sinned?

 

[Lewiz]

Remember Miriam, Moses' sister?
Exodus 15:20

English Standard Version
Then Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women went out after her with tambourines and dancing.

New American Standard Bible
Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took the timbrel in her hand, and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dancing.

King James Bible
And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.

Micah 6:4
English Standard Version
For I brought you up from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

New American Standard Bible
"Indeed, I brought you up from the land of Egypt And ransomed you from the house of slavery, And I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam.

King James Bible
For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of servants; and I sent before thee Moses, Aaron, and Miriam.

Numbers 12
​

1Then Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married (for he had married a Cushite woman); 2and they said, “Has the LORD indeed spoken only through Moses? Has He not spoken through us as well?” And the LORD heard it.

Miriam was chosen by God, led in worship, had leadership qualities, and because she was a prophetess, she preached.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I actually have an honest question for those who believe a women should not teach or speak in church. If a mother is in church with her child and her child asks what the gospel is and why Jesus had to die and she explains it and teaches her child this has the mother then in god's eyes sinned?

How could you possibly misunderstand a mother teaching her children the Gospel and the Bible and a woman standing before a congregation and preaching and teaching the whole church? Obviously, in the scenario you have presented, she would have the wisdom and courtesy to tell her child that they would talk about this at home -- not while a service is in progress.

 

[Gabriel2020]

The women were to teach among themselves, to the young girls as well. Ever wondered why Paul said that it was Eve that was decieved, not Adam. Adam fell in the trap because Eve was his woman, and by standing by her side, it cost him as well.

 

[Blain]

How could you possibly misunderstand a mother teaching her children the Gospel and the Bible and a woman standing before a congregation and preaching and teaching the whole church? Obviously, in the scenario you have presented, she would have the wisdom and courtesy to tell her child that they would talk about this at home -- not while a service is in progress.

Yes but sometimes a child would ask such a question right in the middle of service and so what is the mother to do ignore her childs question or should she explain it in a discrete manner as to not disturb the sermon?

 

[joefizz]

Gladly

Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;

Ezekiel 13:2

To prophesy is to speak or declare the words of the LORD. For example. If one says that the word of God says "suffer not a woman to teach" that person Is prophesying by declaring the word of God. If that same person then says here is what Paul really meant and in that time period blah blah blah....then that is teaching about the word of God and that person has entered into dangerous territory (be it man or woman).

Smart aleck moment,(I do that)
Actually to prophecy is not always simply "Speaking God's words" some tend to be "false prophets" that tell of the future,of dreams,or even discern things "different" than God's prophets,also prophets of God's not only "spoke words of God's" but also "delivered his words to others" even "unto possible death".

 

[Mem]

I'd like to say it again, to the less secure giving over authority to another is equivalent to repudiating one's own authority, and so it must be held with white knuckled tenacity.

The transgression(s) in the garden were usurping and repudiating authority, both criminal trespasses the received the sentence of routine domination of Eve for usurping Adam's authority, so that she might learn the proper skills of consultation and deference perhaps, and resistance of everything including the kitchen sink for Adam's repudiation of his sensibilities, so that he might learn the proper skills of conflict management and assertion, not necessarily total dominance, as each did have right to otherwise legitimate authority.

However, the proper balance is restored in Christ. And, it is not so much total submission for Eve that is the answer but the discernment to know when submission is warranted, and for Adam, the discernment to know when repudiation isn't. This discernment is provided in Christ.

'Giving' over authority to another does not necessitate repudiating one's own authority, as usurping authority does 'take' it from another.

 

[notuptome]

So because one completely pagan woman caused some trouble for Israel 2700 years ago, women in the Christian church should keep silent?

What utter rot and a fine example of a non sequitur.

And a fine example that human nature does not change. Don't like what God has declared? Then simply change it or go around it to satisfy your own vanity.

God said women are not to preach and man says that is not what God really said. Women are equal says man.

What if God does not care about your opinion? What if God said and God expects you to accept what He said because He said it?

Human nature ruined by the fall.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[tourist]

to those who are not of the world
we know from history what a jezebel did to a kingdom.
And we are Reminded by the Comforter, not to tolerate such.


Let a woman learn in peace, fully submitted;
but I do not permit a woman to teach a man or exercise authority over him; rather, she is to remain at peace.

Paul wrote that he does not permit a woman to teach a man or exercise authority over him, that's his personal opinion based on his perception of the role of each gender. This does not necessarily mean that God doesn't permit it. Moses said a bunch of stuff too, about an eye for an eye, divorce, etc. but later on in the bible God's view is presented on the way things should be.

The bible has many examples of woman teaching man and having authority. God appoints those in positions of authority. Are you saying also that women should not allowed to teach in school also or be a manager in a job having authority over both men and women?

 

[notuptome]

Paul wrote that he does not permit a woman to teach a man or exercise authority over him, that's his personal opinion based on his perception of the role of each gender. This does not necessarily mean that God doesn't permit it. Moses said a bunch of stuff too, about an eye for an eye, divorce, etc. but later on in the bible God's view is presented on the way things should be.

The bible has many examples of woman teaching man and having authority. God appoints those in positions of authority. Are you saying also that women should not allowed to teach in school also or be a manager in a job having authority over both men and women?

Paul wrote what the Holy Spirit moved him to write. Moses wrote what God moved him to write.

The bible is not a book of the prophets and apostles opinions. The bible is a book that God wrote for us to live in and to shape our lives according to its precepts and principals.

Interesting to consider that in the book of Esther God is never mentioned.

For the cause of Christ
Roger