This is an ancient thread from May 2017. As you go through the various posts from the start you will find the Scriptures which clearly state that God is against women preachers, teachers, and those being given any authority in the local assembly.
Women should not be allowed to preach in church
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To my understanding, when you set your understanding against Scripture, you disqualify your understanding.
I think that without arguing against Scripture it is possible to argue that the prohibition is local to Corinth, Ephesus, and Crete; but I am not taking that position.
Let me say for me it don't matter who preaches or teaches. My bible teacher is a female, she's a high school teacher and she also teaches in the Bible institute. My aunt has her own church in D.R. who am I to say she's being heretical and sinning against God. She's been a living testimony for my whole family.
I made the second post in this thread. I have read it all. There is no place that says God is against it.
I won’t.
There is evidence 1 Cor 14:34-35 are not authentic, and I believe most Christians grossly misunderstand 1 Tim 2:12.
God does not want to hobble more than 50% of His church simply because they were born the wrong sex.
The church I now attend is In Faith [formerly American Missionary Fellowship, formerly American Sunday School Union]
I have previously attended Southern Baptist, Mission Covenant, Christian, and Evangelical Free churches. They are all doctrinally very similar.
What makes you think that God is hobbling women by forbidding them to do what the men have been called to do? Would you say God hobbles men by not allowing them to bear children?
In any event, this is humanistic thinking. If you hold the Bible to be the Word of God, then every word is a Word of God. And it is in Scripture that God has forbidden women to preach, teach or hold authority in the local assembly, and to also be in submission to their husbands at home.
Willie claims that God never said any such thing. Well then he is making God a liar.
I do not permit a woman to teach the man.....the verse uses an indefinite article paired with a definite article, speaking to 'the' particular man (thus 'the') relative to an individual woman (hence 'a') in the general population...
Threatening with God's judgment for going against scripture doesn't work here since this regards the 'a' and 'the' as highly significant and worthy of preservation ... where the general interpretation typically throws these out so that the verse then reads, "I do not permit women to teach men".
Threatening with God's judgment for going against scripture doesn't work here since this regards the 'a' and 'the' as highly significant and worthy of preservation ... where the general interpretation typically throws these out so that the verse then reads, "I do not permit women to teach men".
So you don't believe Jesus bore that punishment on the cross and redeemed you from the curse?
I think men are better natural leaders than women but God does use women in leadership sometimes. God likes order. I think Paul and the other apostles were rightfully trying to establish order in their assemblies and in their worship. It was a pagan world and these were all new converts from diverse cultures they were leading. We may still have some of the same problems in the church today. Paul had been a religious Jew in his past. At the temple in Jerusalem women could only glance over a balcony from the Court of the Women to see the ceremonies inside the Inner Court so he seems to have loosened up considerably in his dealings with women after he was saved and called by The Lord.
I think it's good to discuss this. I take scripture seriously so I don't want to dismiss the Timothy verse.
But I think we should ask ourselves if it is right to establish a doctrine on one verse?
2 Cor 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
I think it's good to discuss this. I take scripture seriously so I don't want to dismiss the Timothy verse.
But I think we should ask ourselves if it is right to establish a doctrine on one verse?
2 Cor 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
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haha...that's exactly what I saw
just keeps getting better and better (I know he didn't mean it that way but still....
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haha...that's exactly what I saw
just keeps getting better and better (I know he didn't mean it that way but still....
i'm sure he didn't! leave it to a picky female, eh?
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Originally Posted by OneFaith
We can teach women, children, and non-Christian men. But we are not permitted to teach over the Christian men of the congregation- therefore we are not permitted to preach in the pulpit. I say "permitted" because we are capable, but to let the Christian men lead is part of our punishment. Men have their own punishments, but this is one of ours.
we can teach non-Christian men? seems that would be adding to scripture...
some men just simply cannot abide a woman being able to answer from scripture and possibly know as much or more
anyway with every flavor of 'I know better than you' here, it's like Mardi Gras and anything goes
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I would suggest first and foremost God is not served by human hands as a will .In that way he puts no difference between male and female and even put his words on the lips of a Ass used to represent natural unconverted man as a unclean animal in which a lamb must be slain as a picture of salvation. .
Mankind unlike other creatures of the field is one creation as that which is set aside to represent Christ and the church. Like the father and the Son working together in prefect harmony and submission to one another to bring the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding (natural man) .
Because as a result of the time of reformation the veil was rent ending the old form of government. The government on earth was restored to another time period (Judges) to represent the kingdom of God the new Jerusalem prepared as the bride of Christ (both man and woman).. This is when there was no outward representative as those who walk by sight a form of Paganism. God had given that over temporally when the elders reject Him as King, again in favor of walking by sight having become jealous of the surrounding Pagan nations.
In the new restored order as new creatures we are no longer considered Jew or Gentile, male or female. The two have become one .Having broken down the middle wall by indicated by the renting of the veil. But when more than one family assembled together other new ceremonial laws used as shadows to represent the consummation of our new faith in respect to the wedding supper .
The head covering for the female to cover her own representative glory hair and head uncovering of the man to be used in the ceremonial wedding supper (the breaking of bread) in the new heaven and earth. In that setting (ceremonial as a shadow ) . Woman should cover her representative glory just as men should not cover their representative glory in the same way they should be silent seeing she is a representative glory . The only glory to be seen is the glory we see by faith . It will become sight in the new heaven and earth.
Woman I would say should not pastor a church where more than one family gathers together . But in an open arena they are no less qualified to bring the gospel than a man or a Ass. Which Men and woman cam be .Women have been used to bring the gospel in more than one way. The Son of Man had a mother.
Num 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
It’s not as many as are led by men are children of God . I would think woman are typified as pastors of the house, husbands acting as the invisible head . she could lead a bible study knowing it is Christ who does the teaching . But not pastor more than her own family.
Mankind unlike other creatures of the field is one creation as that which is set aside to represent Christ and the church. Like the father and the Son working together in prefect harmony and submission to one another to bring the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding (natural man) .
Because as a result of the time of reformation the veil was rent ending the old form of government. The government on earth was restored to another time period (Judges) to represent the kingdom of God the new Jerusalem prepared as the bride of Christ (both man and woman).. This is when there was no outward representative as those who walk by sight a form of Paganism. God had given that over temporally when the elders reject Him as King, again in favor of walking by sight having become jealous of the surrounding Pagan nations.
In the new restored order as new creatures we are no longer considered Jew or Gentile, male or female. The two have become one .Having broken down the middle wall by indicated by the renting of the veil. But when more than one family assembled together other new ceremonial laws used as shadows to represent the consummation of our new faith in respect to the wedding supper .
The head covering for the female to cover her own representative glory hair and head uncovering of the man to be used in the ceremonial wedding supper (the breaking of bread) in the new heaven and earth. In that setting (ceremonial as a shadow ) . Woman should cover her representative glory just as men should not cover their representative glory in the same way they should be silent seeing she is a representative glory . The only glory to be seen is the glory we see by faith . It will become sight in the new heaven and earth.
Woman I would say should not pastor a church where more than one family gathers together . But in an open arena they are no less qualified to bring the gospel than a man or a Ass. Which Men and woman cam be .Women have been used to bring the gospel in more than one way. The Son of Man had a mother.
Num 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?
It’s not as many as are led by men are children of God . I would think woman are typified as pastors of the house, husbands acting as the invisible head . she could lead a bible study knowing it is Christ who does the teaching . But not pastor more than her own family.
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Women whom GOD chose to lead from among HIS covenant people in the old testament have nothing to do with who should or shouldn't preach in the new testament church.
Yes, Eve was deceived and Adam deliberately sinned, that makes him better.
Jesus chose Mary Magdalene to be the first to testify of the risen Lord.
Let us not forget that creation was good until woman
was created, and then God pronounced it very good
I don't know the intent of your first sentence, but it seems sarcastic: If so, that only appears as angry and sanctimonious. As to your last sentence, if you're implying(as it appears you are)that GOD only said very God-then you're wrong. Verse 31 says that GOD saw EVERY THING HE had made, and, behold, it was very good.
The King James Version indicates that it is Paul who does not "suffer a woman to teach" and gives the reason for it. The reason is that she was the one deceived by the serpent. I think the implication is that women are more likely to be deceived; therefore, they should not teach (they might be unintentionally teaching false doctrine).
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