Not By Works
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He and about 3 to 5 others really do nothing more that level false allegations, twist what we say, embellish what we say, are dishonest with what we say and basically do nothing more than float bias opinion encapsulated in long, drawn out speeches filled with pretense.....I get tired of hearing it........
A poem for the workers for....
Our works of wonder and works so grand
We plead, push and offer our works to make our stand
The promises, power and might of Christ matters not
Because on our works we stand tonight
The plenteous in number will boast of their works and right to enter based upon said works....tragic day indeed as the "many" who trusted into their wonderful works in the name of Jesus will not make the cut or be allowed in.
Trust Jesus fully by faith for salvation....works do not save, nor will they ever!
Our works of wonder and works so grand
We plead, push and offer our works to make our stand
The promises, power and might of Christ matters not
Because on our works we stand tonight
The plenteous in number will boast of their works and right to enter based upon said works....tragic day indeed as the "many" who trusted into their wonderful works in the name of Jesus will not make the cut or be allowed in.
Trust Jesus fully by faith for salvation....works do not save, nor will they ever!
An inheritance, incorruptible and undefiled, which does not fade away...
1 Peter 1:3-9:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls"
1 Peter 1:3-9:
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls"
Wow Amen decon, that is so cool and true to boot; After Jesus' baptism by John He was led by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness to be tested by the devil, we all know this I know. If Jesus of Nazareth had failed at any one point He would have lost His credentials to be the Messiah our Savior, and rightly so.
So it seems to me that we have a bunch of self appointed messiah's who are making an attempt at saving themselves. Pretty foolish to think about when Christ our Savior said, "It is finished." John19:30. "Humble yourself before the Lord and He will lift you up." James4:10
Submit to God: James4:6
6) "But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: "God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble."
So it seems to me that we have a bunch of self appointed messiah's who are making an attempt at saving themselves. Pretty foolish to think about when Christ our Savior said, "It is finished." John19:30. "Humble yourself before the Lord and He will lift you up." James4:10
Submit to God: James4:6
6) "But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: "God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble."
For the director of music:
A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba.
Psalm 51:16,17
16) "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings."
17) My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.
A psalm of David. When the prophet Nathan came to him after David had committed adultery with Bathsheba.
Psalm 51:16,17
16) "You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings."
17) My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.
Hi dcontroversal,
What touches people and what they shake off like it is nothing speaks of what is within,
what connects with their heart, how alive they actually are.
"drawn out speeches filled with pretense" -
The reason people contribute so much is because it is something their hearts echo
and it flows from them. What is shared is just a small part of the great work God
has done in their lives.
Pretense - none of this is pretense. Like I know your position is not made up, you
sincerely believe it.
You also show the profile of a conspiracy thinker, holocaust denier, survivalist with
the world about to implode and take all you hold dear. I know how hard this shell
is break through, and you are fighting against the evil hordes. Except these evil hordes
are normal bible believing folk who follow Jesus as they are led.
The fact such a profile does not bother you, because to you I am the ultimate
evil deceiver who you want to destroy. But if I know your mind and how you
are thinking, and still know love and care for you, how can it be true?
How does this sound?
"Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
The LORD Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.
Psalm 46:10-11
Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
What touches people and what they shake off like it is nothing speaks of what is within,
what connects with their heart, how alive they actually are.
"drawn out speeches filled with pretense" -
The reason people contribute so much is because it is something their hearts echo
and it flows from them. What is shared is just a small part of the great work God
has done in their lives.
Pretense - none of this is pretense. Like I know your position is not made up, you
sincerely believe it.
You also show the profile of a conspiracy thinker, holocaust denier, survivalist with
the world about to implode and take all you hold dear. I know how hard this shell
is break through, and you are fighting against the evil hordes. Except these evil hordes
are normal bible believing folk who follow Jesus as they are led.
The fact such a profile does not bother you, because to you I am the ultimate
evil deceiver who you want to destroy. But if I know your mind and how you
are thinking, and still know love and care for you, how can it be true?
How does this sound?
"Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth."
The LORD Almighty is with us; the God of Jacob is our fortress.
Psalm 46:10-11
Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
Adding to the work of Jesus. Listen to Paul
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.
You are looking only on the surface of things. If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as he.
2 Corinthians 10:5-7
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.
Colossians 1:24
Paul desires to take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
In Pauls body, his suffering is needed to bring the message to the church.
He is pointing out Jesus has done His part, we have to do ours in ministry,
in love, in sacrifice, in time and energy.
Now I read the hurt, the disappointment, the anger, the frustration against
believers people have lived with in their past. Until they can begin to love
these people and forgive them, they will drift further and further away into
the wilderness, spouting anger and hatred at the real evil in the world as they
put it. But John writes this
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another
1 John 3:10-11
Now I have heard a member accuse believers of being like Cain. Except this very
person desires to destroy and attack the church and the people of God, spouting
antagonism and hatred.
This is just unforgiveness and bitterness over hurts from the past, which have taken
over their soul.
As another member said, "I grew up around his pseudo christianity"
What unites them is a common hatred not a common love.
What unites them is being sinners with a rubber stamp, and they believe that is enough.
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.
You are looking only on the surface of things. If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider again that we belong to Christ just as much as he.
2 Corinthians 10:5-7
Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.
Colossians 1:24
Paul desires to take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
In Pauls body, his suffering is needed to bring the message to the church.
He is pointing out Jesus has done His part, we have to do ours in ministry,
in love, in sacrifice, in time and energy.
Now I read the hurt, the disappointment, the anger, the frustration against
believers people have lived with in their past. Until they can begin to love
these people and forgive them, they will drift further and further away into
the wilderness, spouting anger and hatred at the real evil in the world as they
put it. But John writes this
This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another
1 John 3:10-11
Now I have heard a member accuse believers of being like Cain. Except this very
person desires to destroy and attack the church and the people of God, spouting
antagonism and hatred.
This is just unforgiveness and bitterness over hurts from the past, which have taken
over their soul.
As another member said, "I grew up around his pseudo christianity"
What unites them is a common hatred not a common love.
What unites them is being sinners with a rubber stamp, and they believe that is enough.
Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.
1 Timothy 4:7
Set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.
1 Timothy 4:12
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
1 Tim 4:16
Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.
Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
1 Timothy 5:19-20
I charge you to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time
1 Tim 6:13-15
Clear themes here
1. Train yourself => Godly
2. in purity
3. Persevere to save yourself
4. Rebuke sin
5. Keep command without spot or blame ie be blameless, Holy, righteous
This is Paul sharing and encouraging Timothy.
Now if this is opposed, those who oppose it oppose God.
Yes it is easy to ignore God if you want to. But your whole faith rests on
listening to Him and bending your heart to the narrow path.
There is a spiritual war going on, but it is not between people on this thread
it is in you reader and your heart. Will you listen to God or the world?
Take heart for the Holy Spirit will guide you, Amen.
Why do I return to share and sacrifice my time? Because we are called to
share the things of God at every opportunity, and today this is mine, Amen.
1 Timothy 4:7
Set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.
1 Timothy 4:12
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
1 Tim 4:16
Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses.
Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
1 Timothy 5:19-20
I charge you to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time
1 Tim 6:13-15
Clear themes here
1. Train yourself => Godly
2. in purity
3. Persevere to save yourself
4. Rebuke sin
5. Keep command without spot or blame ie be blameless, Holy, righteous
This is Paul sharing and encouraging Timothy.
Now if this is opposed, those who oppose it oppose God.
Yes it is easy to ignore God if you want to. But your whole faith rests on
listening to Him and bending your heart to the narrow path.
There is a spiritual war going on, but it is not between people on this thread
it is in you reader and your heart. Will you listen to God or the world?
Take heart for the Holy Spirit will guide you, Amen.
Why do I return to share and sacrifice my time? Because we are called to
share the things of God at every opportunity, and today this is mine, Amen.
And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.
Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
2 Tim 2:24-26
Brothers and sisters in Christ,
a message Paul wrote from prison to Timothy about those who oppose you.
The devil has taken some captive. And only God can grant them repentance.
They are doing the will of the enemy, so be not surprised at their words or
tactics, for it is plain where their heart is.
People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God--
having a form of godliness but denying its power.
2 Timothy 3:2-5
In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
2 Timothy 3:12-13
"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
2 Timothy 2:19
Grace and peace to you, in Christ Jesus.
Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
2 Tim 2:24-26
Brothers and sisters in Christ,
a message Paul wrote from prison to Timothy about those who oppose you.
The devil has taken some captive. And only God can grant them repentance.
They are doing the will of the enemy, so be not surprised at their words or
tactics, for it is plain where their heart is.
People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God--
having a form of godliness but denying its power.
2 Timothy 3:2-5
In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
2 Timothy 3:12-13
"Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness."
2 Timothy 2:19
Grace and peace to you, in Christ Jesus.
E
Lets look at your list.
BELIEF, - simple belief saves no one, even demons believe yet tremble
FAITH, The work of God, it is not a work. It is us trusting God
CONFESSION - The tax collector confessed that he was a sinner, it was not a work. it was him admitting what he was, meanwhile as children of God, we confess our sins to him. Which is us admitting to God we have done things, If was
REPENTANCE - None of the above thingsd woudl take place apart from repentance. You would still be self centered and never ask God for his GIFT unless you repented. Because you would NEVER trust (have faith) in what he did, what he says about you beiong true, or what he is offering. You woudl either turn to not believing at all. Or believing in him, but Not having faith in him, proven by the fact you still think you must WORK to EARN his gift (ie religion,)
PREACHING, BAPTISM, OBEDIENCE , FAITH, HOPE, LOVE, WISDOM, HOLINESS, RIGHTEOUSNESS, GOOD WORKS, SERVICE, WORSHIP ETC. ARE ALL WORKS OF SALVATION THAT THE BODY OF CHRIST POSSESS AND DO FOR THE HONOR AND GLORY AND PRAISE OF GOD OUR FATHER AND HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
All of these are works we are commanded to do AS CHILDREN OF GOD, and is part of running the race that paul spoke of.
not to BECOME children of God. Anyone who states these are required for final salation (justification) and not aspects of personal sanctification teaches a works based Gospel. Which will be rejected by God himself on the last day, because they have rejhected his way, and tried to demand he save them the worlds way.
Again, You are mixing justification and sanctification. And because you refuse to acknoweldge they are 2 different things, you are mixing works with Grace and believing in a perverted gospel.
Yes a child of God should do these things, But they do them as part of sanctification, not as part of justification (earning salvation)
Again, Your mixing grace and works, and rejecting tyhe pure gospel of CHrist. When you are ready to talk about how one is born again, recieves eternal life, and is justified freely by the grace of Christ. Let me know. As long as you will continue to push sanctification as part of earning justification. You will continue to fail to see the true gospel of grace
BELIEF, - simple belief saves no one, even demons believe yet tremble
FAITH, The work of God, it is not a work. It is us trusting God
CONFESSION - The tax collector confessed that he was a sinner, it was not a work. it was him admitting what he was, meanwhile as children of God, we confess our sins to him. Which is us admitting to God we have done things, If was
REPENTANCE - None of the above thingsd woudl take place apart from repentance. You would still be self centered and never ask God for his GIFT unless you repented. Because you would NEVER trust (have faith) in what he did, what he says about you beiong true, or what he is offering. You woudl either turn to not believing at all. Or believing in him, but Not having faith in him, proven by the fact you still think you must WORK to EARN his gift (ie religion,)
PREACHING, BAPTISM, OBEDIENCE , FAITH, HOPE, LOVE, WISDOM, HOLINESS, RIGHTEOUSNESS, GOOD WORKS, SERVICE, WORSHIP ETC. ARE ALL WORKS OF SALVATION THAT THE BODY OF CHRIST POSSESS AND DO FOR THE HONOR AND GLORY AND PRAISE OF GOD OUR FATHER AND HIS ONLY SON JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
All of these are works we are commanded to do AS CHILDREN OF GOD, and is part of running the race that paul spoke of.
not to BECOME children of God. Anyone who states these are required for final salation (justification) and not aspects of personal sanctification teaches a works based Gospel. Which will be rejected by God himself on the last day, because they have rejhected his way, and tried to demand he save them the worlds way.
Again, You are mixing justification and sanctification. And because you refuse to acknoweldge they are 2 different things, you are mixing works with Grace and believing in a perverted gospel.
Yes a child of God should do these things, But they do them as part of sanctification, not as part of justification (earning salvation)
Again, Your mixing grace and works, and rejecting tyhe pure gospel of CHrist. When you are ready to talk about how one is born again, recieves eternal life, and is justified freely by the grace of Christ. Let me know. As long as you will continue to push sanctification as part of earning justification. You will continue to fail to see the true gospel of grace
E
Amen, th4e scripture is clear. By the law comes KNOWLEDGE of sin, not understaing of how to overcome sin. In fact apul said when the law came, sin increased, it did not decrease. And scrripture is clear it is the freedom of being in christ, and the knowledge that one has eternal life and is a child who can come boldly to the throne of grace and into his daddy’s (abba father) room without fear that causes us to continue to want to walk with God. Not rules and regulations which burden a people to no end.
E
I still not get where he thinks we are holocost deniers. Talk about nonsense. 2 men who gave their lives in service for their country would deny the horrors and evil of WW2?
It is one thing to call people stupid. But when you claim claims like that which NO ONE would even think are true you just damage yourself.
How can you expect to be seen as a reliable witness and discerner of the truth of the word. When you can not even discern the truth about other people?
It is one thing to call people stupid. But when you claim claims like that which NO ONE would even think are true you just damage yourself.
How can you expect to be seen as a reliable witness and discerner of the truth of the word. When you can not even discern the truth about other people?
I am very glad you have done that. I was marveling at the change I had seen in you as regards peters taunts. I didn't know it was because you had put him on ignore. I thought you had just learned to bear offenses as our Lord did. And really...to put him on ignore and stick to it does require you to bear that last attack you heard from him without reviling back so...good job. 