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Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
This again makes no sense to me, you are now saying the KJV is the Word of God, but shouldn't use the Word of God to judge other versions?
For over 400 years there was a standard Word of God, there was ONLY ONE Word of God the KJV during that time, it was on during the last days generation that people of that last days generation felt the standard Word of God (KJV) was in need of correcting, updated, fixed, repaired, etc... .. .. . And because of that, people now believe there is no standard Word of God. But there is, and always will be a Standard Word of God and that is the version that God ordained, the KJV.
And you think that is a Godly thing? That there is NO Standard Instructions from God to His children? Really? Well for 400+ years there was ONLY ONE Standard Instructions from God, considered to be the Word of God, that was the KJV. So now we have hundreds of OTHER versions, so much so that you have this thinking there is no standard Word of God in existence. But you are wrong, there is, that is most certainly the KJV, which was, is, and will remain until Christ comes back. But if your looking for another version, every year hundreds more pop up, just pick and choose which instructions you will call the Word of God. lol.
KJV, NIV, all other versions = Can bring people to the Lord Jesus Christ, therefore can't be bad versions.
Word of God = KJV. Therefore compare all other versions to the KJV, when in doubt about a verse.
Really? Five different verses from five different versions all say something different from one another, and ALL OF THEM are the standard, really? This is not of God, satan is the author of confusion, not God. There is ONE STANDARD, ONE Word of God, and that is the KJV. God is TRUTH. All Scriptures are inspired by God. Those five verses from five different versions CAN'T Be all TRUE, can't all be the Standard of TRUTH.
The KJV was approved by God, Was ordained by God, Was protected by God, is the Word of God. All other versions are great versions to bring lost souls to the Lord Jesus Christ, but are NOT the Word of God, which is infallible. Other versions are fallible indeed. The KJV is TRUTH, and is the Standard.
KJV is the Word of God, and is the Standard. It has been for the last 400+ years, and will continue to be the Standard until Christ comes back. Be warned, if you choose a verse to be TRUE in your version, over the same verse in the KJV, you are choosing to believe a false standard over the Word of God. Therein lies the dangers of other versions. When people call their version the Word of God, OVER the TRUE Word of God, the KJV.
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DiscipleDave
DD,
You have taken my words out of context and quoted them because you could not even understand that I was making an ironic remark. The reason I said "there is no standard Word of God in existence" is because the ones promoting the modern versions have at least five "standard" versions, all different. So where's the "standard"? And my whole post was exposing this foolishness about calling these modern corruptions "standard" bibles.
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
This again makes no sense to me, you are now saying the KJV is the Word of God, but shouldn't use the Word of God to judge other versions?
Because that is illogical. If the KJV is the Word of God, then you can and should use the Word of God to judge other versions which also claim to be the Word of God. There is ONLY ONE accurate instructions from God to the English speaking people of the Word, and that is the KJV, as is said to be the Word of God. If you say the KJV is the Word of God, and another version also claims to be the Word of God, Both can't possibly be correct? One verse in the KJV says this, that same verse in another version says that. This and That are not agreeing with each other, This and That can't both be right, therefore one of them is wrong, and if wrong, then NOT the Word of God. The Word of God is accurate, correct, and all of it is TRUE. Other versions are not the Word of God because they all contain errors, incorrectness, NOT accurate, NOT the Word of God. Both KJV and the NIV can't be Right? The Word of God is TRUTH, and is infallible.
You do error in not understanding what is being discussed. We are not talking about other LANGUAGES, we are talking about other ENGLISH versions of the Bible. Versions that are written in ENGLISH, NOT other languages.
For the English speaking people of the World, God chose the KJV to be His Word, and it was, and is, and will be His Word till His Son Jesus Christ Returns again.
(KJV) Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
(NIV) [FONT=Times New Roman, Times, David, Georgia, Courier New]Mat 5:44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, {Rest of verse omitted}
Tell me, which one is correct? which one is TRUTH? Which one is the Word of God? There is ONLY ONE Word of God, and that is the KJV, which has been for over 400 years, but leave it to the last days generation to take thought that it needed to be updated, corrected, intepreted, improved. They were WRONG.
KJV vs NIV
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DiscipleDave
i hope you are not referring to me, if you are then it is clear you do not understand what i have been saying repeatedly.
Other versions of the Bible are not bad, i plainly teach, that any version that can bring a person to the Lord can't be a bad version. This teaching, the KJV ONLY group does not agree with me.
Now if you want to talk about what is considered the Word of God, then i can do that, and that is most certainly the KJV. Am i KJV ONLY? no, any version that can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ can't be a bad version. But there is ONLY ONE Word of God for the English speaking people of the world, the KJV, not hundreds of Word of God's.
What? If i get 20 Scholars together and they and i decide to come up with a version of the Bible, is that then considered the Word of God? All "Other versions" of English versions was done exactly in this fashion, are they also considered the Word of God?
Has this generation made their version an idol? Does this generation look at their version as the Word of God, and the TRUE Word of God KJV is to be shunned, why? Because they hold on to the version that converted them to Christ, falsely believing that it is that version that is the Word of God. They do error, not understanding the TRUTH in this matter, nor will they listen to those who know the TRUTH, but the True sheep will know the shepherds voice when they hear it.
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DiscipleDave
Originally Posted by Nehemiah6
This is Relativism at its finest. There is no standard Word of God in existence, so anything goes, and everything becomes the "standard". So here is the mockery of the "standard" when it comes to Bibles. You can take your pick from five "standards":
English Standard Version
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
New American Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
International Standard Version
In the beginning, God created the universe.
American Standard Version
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Since there is no Hebrew word there which translates into "universe" this has got to be the standard! And the Revised Standard Version has gone the way of the dodo.
Means, is an opinion correct? It was their (group of humans) opinions that says it means universe, correct?
Their opinion is actually wrong. IN the beginning God created the Heaven (Singular) and the Earth. NOT Heavens (plural)
The Bible was specifically written to and for Human beings on the planet Earth. In the Beginning God created the Atmosphere and the Earth. The UNIVERSE had already been created, Heaven existed for eons x eons x eons before the Earth was ever even thought of being created.
IN the Beginning is NOT for the universe, but in the Beginning of the Earth being made and its atmosphere (Heaven)
The Universe existed an eternity before the Earth was ever created. Lucifer, an Angel of God, decided to try to take the Throne of God for himself. Click HERE to see what God told me concerning that topic.
Everyone of those versions above are WRONG, when they make Heaven Plural, by saying Heaven(s)
KJV is absolutely Correct in saying:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
All other versions interpreted it to mean Heavens (Plural) therefore all the other version say Heavens. When in Truth, the Word of God KJV only says Heaven, which is correct.
The KJV Correct, all those others versions, not so much.
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DiscipleDave
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
For over 400 people Our Brothers and Sisters of the Lord Jesus Christ called the KJV the Word of God, are you saying they were foolish people?
Oh wait, they were not foolish then, but when new versions pop up in the last days, then if you believe what they believed to be the Word of God, then you are foolish?
Your thinking is flawed. Wasn't foolish for 400 years, but is now? How does that make any sense at all?
MarcR, you are wise man, you carefully weigh out what you are going to say before you say something, careful to speak in a way to not offend. Wise man indeed.
Agreed. But there is a teaching that is growing out there, that is to this very day trying to eliminate the KJV altogether, get rid of it, favoring other versions as being better, more accurate, The Word of God, etc.... .... ....
Yes, i understand what you mean. i have an Uncle who is so against the NIV, he and his wife spend much time and effort to try to teach people how evil it is. i told them, that what they are doing is not Godly at all, and that they should spend their time and effort on Loving one another, instead of condemning others for using the NIV. i told them that any book that can bring a person to the Lord is not a bad book. A pamphlet can bring a person to the Lord Jesus Christ, that is not a bad pamphlet.
Here is what i know is the TRUTH.
The KJV is for those who desire to learn and understand meat of the Word.
If a babe tries reading the KJV they will not accept it, and will most likely spit it out.
Other versions are awesome for those who desire milk of the Word, to get them interested in the Word, to help them understand the Word, to lead them to Jesus Our Savior and Lord.
But most people who are used to being on milk do not straightway desire meat now do they. They love the milk and would rather stay on the milk always.
But if a person desires to learn and understand His TRUTHS, they need to ween off the milk and start eating meat, which is not easy to do at the first.
So then, Other version are great to get people to the Lord, But once a person desire to grow, they need to start studying the Word of God, the KJV, and not rely on the milk from Other versions. Having meat and milk together is a double bonus. Study the KJV, and use other versions, commentaries, internet, or what have you to try and understand what the KJV is trying to tell YOU. The KJV is the Word of God, there are not MANY Words of God, but one Word of God for the English speaking people of the World, and that is the KJV. Am i saying other versions are wrong, corrupt, and the such. Not really, yeah there is things that are wrong with all of them, but they are not a bad versions.
Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part.
Hypothetical 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one using a different version in thy name, and he followeth not Our Version: and we forbad him, because he followeth not Our Version. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall be Saved in my name from that version, that can lightly speak evil of me. For the version that is not against us is on our part.
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DiscipleDave
Um, no. The Geneva Bible, Tyndale, Bishops, Coverdale, and dozens of translations in other languages existed during this period. The KJV was merely the most common and best-known English Bible. That doesn't make it "the" standard.
Given that the KJV was translated from other versions, and largely followed the Bishops Bible, how can it be that all others are fallible and the KJV is not? That is simply not logically or historically sound. It also conflicts with what the KJV translators themselves wrote in their preface.
Tell me if you had children and you were going to be leaving for a long while from them, would you leave ONE accurate set of instructions, or would you leave many different sets of instructions that they would have to prayerfully translate?
If you were a Father of many children, would you leave ONE set of instructions for them, that is Correct, TRUE, ACCURATE, and inspired by YOU. Or would you leave many different instructions that are flawed, incorrect, not as accurate?
Tell me Truly, is it less confusing to have One Accurate set of Instructions instead of hundreds of sets of instructions? Who is the author of confusion, God or satan?
For 400+ years there was absolutely no confusion whatsoever what was considered the Word of God for English speaking people of the World, that was the KJV. But now having hundreds of different versions, that is NOT confusion for the children?
Really? Well then, let you and i, ahwatukee, dcontroversal, and as many others here on CC, get together and come up with a Word of God which we will call the CCV (Christian Chat Version). Let us prayerfully undertake this task, with sincere motives and a sincere desire to translate correctly. Let us pray and fast every day that we are translating this NEW version into the Word of God. When do you want to start? New versions are popping up all the time, so why not us? Let us come together and make a Word of God and call that version CCV, and then many other people in the World will call OUR version, the Word of God, sounds good right? When do we start?
lol. just because a group of people got together and prayerfully undertaken by sincere and competent translators, does not make the version they come up with "The Word of God". Sure it might be a great version, but in Truth it is a version based solely on the interpretations of those sincere competent people in that group, it is NOT the Word of God, but is the interpretations of that Group of people. Tell me, are the interpretations of that group of people infallible? Are they human or no?
i don't care what 40 people you get together to prayerfully undertaken by sincere and competent translators, they are human, they are infallible, they as a group can make mistakes, they can be persuaded by satan, because they are humans. What this group of people come up with their version, does not make it the Word of God, no matter how Godly they are, no matter how good intention they have, that group of people is not going to come up with the "Word of God" When it already exists in the KJV.
If a group decides to come up with a better version, what are they saying about the previous version?
The KJV was considered the Word of God for over 400 years. Then a group of people get together and decide to come up with their version to make it easier for people to understand. When they decided to come up with ANOTHER version, what have they done with the previous version KJV, do they not make it obsolete, saying and thinking their version is BETTER, more updated, more accurate to the times we live in?
So then satan could not get rid of the KJV, he tried. So what is his next best thing to try to get people to stop reading it? Well look around, who reads the KJV any more? So how did satan do it. he couldn't get rid of the KJV, God would not let him do so, so he makes it to where people don't read the KJV, how? Brilliant!! come up with hundreds of other versions of the Bible, and then convince them to call those versions the "Word of God", effectively making the KJV void, outdated, something to be discarded. satan is the god of this planet, we would do well to remember that.
Scriptures teach the world will get worse and worse, not better.
We have 4 to five churches in every town, we have hundreds of different versions of the Bible, we have hundreds of different denominations. Has it gotten better or worse?
Past: Everyone in the town went to the ONLY Church in town, pews full: Everyone had the same Bible KJV, everyone hearing and reading the exact same thing, Bible studies every where: ONE denomination, Christian. Verdict: BETTER.
Present: Churches everywhere, pews 1/4 filled: Everyone has different Bibles which say different things, difficult to follow what preacher is reading because don't have same version as he does, Bible studies, whats that?: hundreds of different denominations, seek one of them until you find one that agrees with what YOU think the TRUTH is. Verdict: Way WORSE.
We are living in the last days, and we have more churches then ever, more denominations to choose from then ever, more versions of the Bible to choose from, just find one that you agree with and call that version the Word of God, more Saved, more Christians than ever before, AND YET, His wrath is about to be poured out on all of us, i know why, do you?
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DiscipleDave
This is True.
Other Versions are inspired by the group of people who got together and translated the Bible for themselves. If the Word of God already existed why would there be a need to replace it? Who took thought that the Word of God needed to be replaced? HUMANS is the answer. Well intentions for sure, trying to make it easier to understand is the reason it was even thought of, but when they CHANGED what the Word of God actually said, into something that they Thought it meant, in other words that group of peoples interpretations of what that group thought that verse should say, they altered the Word of God, they ADDED to what the Word of God actually said. Good intentions for sure, but just as wrong.
The KJV is the Word of God:
Always has been.
Always is.
Always will be.
It is inspired by God, not men.
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DiscipleDave
You are absolutely right, and when i seen that i did do that, it would not allow me to change it. Please forgive me, i meant you no harm.
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DiscipleDave
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
For over 400 years there was a standard Word of God, there was ONLY ONE Word of God the KJV during that time...
Um, no. They existed at the beginning, but not during the 400 years. please study this. They did not exist during the same period of the KJV, which period is over 400 years.
For 400+ years it was considered by MOST Christians to be the Word of God, which indeed indicates it was the Standard.
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
The KJV was approved by God, Was ordained by God, Was protected by God, is the Word of God. All other versions are great versions to bring lost souls to the Lord Jesus Christ, but are NOT the Word of God, which is infallible. Other versions are fallible indeed. The KJV is TRUTH, and is the Standard.
Easy. God decided what He wanted in the KJV, knowing it was going to be called His Word until His Son Returned to Earth. All other versions created AFTER God created the KJV are created by men who thought God did not do it right the first time when He created the KJV.
What is it to me if it sounds illogical or not historically sound? i know it is the TRUTH.
i do not care what those men wrote in their preface. What matters to me, is what God allowed or did not allow in His Word when He was making sure what He wanted written in it, was going to be written in it. God knowing that the KJV was going to be called the Word of God until Jesus Returns, God made sure that the KJV was written EXACTLY as He wanted it to be written, He was THERE, His Name is on it. He made sure it was EXACTLY as He wanted it to be. Leave it to the last days generation to try to Change what God wants written, exactly as He wanted it to be written.
Tell me, could God have made the NIV 400+ years ago? Sure He could have done that, He is God. He could have made sure that the Word of God was written to be simple and easy to understand for all generations to come: But He didn't did He? God made the KJV EXACTLY as He wanted it to be, and God knew full well that it would last until Jesus Returned. The KJV is the "Word of God" Woe to anyone who thinks otherwise.
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DiscipleDave
Why he has been banned?FYI, James37 has been banned. He won't see your comment.
ANd yeah, I study the KJV, but also the Hebrew and Greek
From the site rules:
"Also please don't be making posts in the forums about someone else's ban. It doesn't help!"
That's good. Some "King James only" proponents eschew studying the original languages claiming that they are either irrelevant or, worse, where they contradict the KJV, they must be corrupt.
Banned people can sill view the forums. They cannot post or use other site features that allow for communication with other members, though.FYI, James37 has been banned. He won't see your comment.
So... the Tyndale, Geneva, Bishops, etc.... none of those exist anymore? They simply vanished from earth when the KJV was completed?
The silliness is strong in this one....
