GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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2*Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

3*And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

conclusion:
breasts are good if they move around like deer, but bad if they get squished
Not really. whoredom in these scriptures are symbolic of unfaithfulness to God's WORD or sinning againt God (Breaking his commandments). I am not sure how your post is responding to the one you are quoting from.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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I think Studyman is asking you about your religion and do you have any scriptures to support it.

i think he was asking me about this

"do you understand the old covenant to be the ten commandments plus all the other rules God gave through Moses?

and the new covenant to be just the ten commandments?"
 
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Hi LGF, I think you did a good job of explaining things in post 6763, i agree. Has anyone ever challenged you with any bible based reasoning?
Hi TMS,

Thanks but I cannot take any credit however, these are God's Words and not mine. I am only a sinner seeking him and his salvation through faith in his WORD.

I have nothing but to listen to him who loves us.

No one ever wants to address thes posts and scriptures. None have even adressed the OP and the scriptures here in this thread.

Most dismiss God's Word calling it a false doctrine without even saying why or call me many different names (too numerous).

It is sad for some but God has shown me some hear his voice.

God bless my friend as you continue in his Word.
 

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Not really. whoredom in these scriptures are symbolic of unfaithfulness to God's WORD or sinning againt God (Breaking his commandments). I am not sure how your post is responding to the one you are quoting from.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
the post got messed up

it was supposed to go like this

How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2*Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3*Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.


The word of the*Lord*came again unto me, saying,

2*Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

3*And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

conclusion:
breasts are good if they move around like deer, but bad if they get squished


so, if you wish, show why this conclusion is wrong using scripture
 
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i think he was asking me about this

"do you understand the old covenant to be the ten commandments plus all the other rules God gave through Moses?

and the new covenant to be just the ten commandments?"
Please read post # 6706 linked and the OP here linked. The new Covenant is linked to those three posts in the links and Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremaiah 31:31-34. LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD (Rom 13:8-10).

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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the post got messed up

it was supposed to go like this

How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.

2*Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.

3*Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.

The word of the*Lord*came again unto me, saying,

2*Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

3*And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

conclusion:
breasts are good if they move around like deer, but bad if they get squished

so, if you wish, show why this conclusion is wrong using scripture
You missing the point of the scriptures. Unfaithfulness to God's WORD and breaking his commandments will keep all who do this out of God's KINGDOM.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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Please read post # 6706 linked and the OP here linked. The new Covenant is linked to those three posts in the links and Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremaiah 31:31-34. LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD (Rom 13:8-10).

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
right, well
Studyman was the one asking
 

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You missing the point of the scriptures. Unfaithfulness to God's WORD and breaking his commandments will keep all who do this out of God's KINGDOM.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
you're supposed to usedscriptures to show why my conclusion is wrong

i used scriptures to support it
 

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I have all through this thread but you do not believe God's Word.
no, my conclusion about the deer and the squishing

all you have said so far is
"You missing the point of the scriptures."

i have posted two references
here is another

32*For who is God, save the*Lord? and who is a rock, save our God?

33*God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.

34*He maketh my feet like hinds' feet: and setteth me upon my high places.
 

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Say Dan, looks like you are illustrating that a person can quote scripture all day long and still be very much doctrinally in a ditch.

Right?

I could go through your citations regarding breasts but I gather it is not for me to do =]
 
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no, my conclusion about the deer and the squishing

all you have said so far is
"You missing the point of the scriptures."

i have posted two references
here is another

32*For who is God, save the*Lord? and who is a rock, save our God?

33*God is my strength and power: and he maketh my way perfect.

34*He maketh my feet like hinds' feet: and setteth me upon my high places.
What has this got to do with me saying ...

"You missing the point of the scriptures. Unfaithfulness to God's WORD and breaking his commandments will keep all who do this out of God's KINGDOM." ?

I am commenting on the scriptures you used in relation to whoredoms that you used earlier then changes your post.
 
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Say Dan, looks like you are illustrating that a person can quote scripture all day long and still be very much doctrinally in a ditch.

Right?

I could go through your citations regarding breasts but I gather it is not for me to do =]
yep, and very often there are no scriptures that can show an absurd conclusion to be absurd
 
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Say Dan, looks like you are illustrating that a person can quote scripture all day long and still be very much doctrinally in a ditch.

Right?

I could go through your citations regarding breasts but I gather it is not for me to do =]
How can you know God's Word when you use your words? Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and follow it.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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yep, and very often there are no scriptures that can show an absurd conclusion to be absurd
He disguised Himself as a human, so that it could not be that flesh and blood revealed it, but His Spirit
 

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What has this got to do with me saying ...

"You missing the point of the scriptures. Unfaithfulness to God's WORD and breaking his commandments will keep all who do this out of God's KINGDOM." ?

I am commenting on the scriptures you used in relation to whoredoms that you used earlier then changes your post.
the idea of my last few posts here on the subject of deer and squishing was that posting scriptures doesn't mean that one's conclusion is correct

and that often there are no scriptures that can show that a conclusion does not follow
 
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He disguised Himself as a human, so that it could not be that flesh and blood revealed it, but His Spirit
Indeed spiritual things are spiritually discerned. You do not have God's Spirit however if you are breaking God's Commandments neither do you know him who calls us in love to love another.

Acts 5:32, And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 John 2
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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How can you know God's Word when you use your words? Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and follow it.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
"Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and follow it."

Yes! and also know that not everyone who posts scripture is drawing the right conclusion from it
 
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the idea of my last few posts here on the subject of deer and squishing was that posting scriptures doesn't mean that one's conclusion is correct

and that often there are no scriptures that can show that a conclusion does not follow
Your conclusiions are not correct because spiritual things are spiritually discerned and you are following the teachings ot men over the WORD of God..

You need the teacher who is the Holy Ghost which is part of the NEW COVENANT promise to those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. God only gives it to those who OBEY him by faith.

SIN is the transgression or breakin gof God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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