GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[lightbearer]

Wear tzitzit or go to hell yes or no?

No; All the Laws that made Israel standout physically have been done away with in Christ. We have put on Christ though Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek we are all one in Christ. He in us, GOD in Him, that we may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.



Besides that we now do not need to wear reminders of the Law physically or bind copies of them to us anymore. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus; behold all things are new and of God. HE has put HIS Law in our hearts, minds and mouths that we do it. Of his own will begat he us with to the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

 

[lightbearer]

Stone Sabbath violator to death or go to hell, yes or no?

No; and this includes any sin. All punishment in this respect will be done by GOD through HIS Word that does not fail.

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone... where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
(Joh 8:7-11; Joh 12:47-48; Rom 2:16 KJV)

The Gospel; we are the Body of Christ the Temple of GOD; HIS Kingdom. For it is at hand within you; through the life, death, and resurrection of Christ. For we have put on Christ through Christ; His Word; His Law being in our hearts, minds, and mouths we are healed. When Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins (our conscience [who we are; our inner man] from dead works [sin; acts that cause death]) so we can serve the LIVING GOD.That we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes we were healed.

So exhort one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?(Heb 1:3; 9:14; 10:25-29)

 

[lightbearer]

Keep new moon festival or go to hell, yes or no?

No; the word for new moon can be translated month and should be in Isaiah 66:23

Isaiah 1:13,14 is obviously speaking of the festivals in the Book of the Law:
Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

In Isaiah 47:13 GOD through Isaiah uses the same word again but in different context:
Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.


In Isaiah 66:23 it used again but as a time line not a festival:
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon (month) to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Actually most of the times it is used, it is used in reference to a month.

 

[PS]

No; All the Laws that made Israel standout physically have been done away with in Christ. We have put on Christ though Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek we are all one in Christ. He in us, GOD in Him, that we may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Besides that we now do not need to wear reminders of the Law physically or bind copies of them to us anymore. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus; behold all things are new and of God. HE has put HIS Law in our hearts, minds and mouths that we do it. Of his own will begat he us with to the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Considering Jesus is Lord, I wonder what that means for the "Lord's Day."

 

[PS]

No; and this includes any sin. All punishment in this respect will be done by GOD through HIS Word that does not fail.....

I think posthuman was asking about the custom of stoning in Biblical times according to Jewish law.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Considering Jesus is Lord, I wonder what that means for the "Lord's Day."

God's Word makes it clear no need to guess.

Matthew 12
8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Jackson123]

I will answer your question if you answer mine;

1. If someone is professing to be a Christian but is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?

2. Where in God's WOrd does it say God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

You promise to unswere brother posthuman if he unswere yours,

You do promise to me to unswere me if I unswere yours.

I did unswere yours, (6048) why you not unswere my question?

 

[PS]

God's Word makes it clear no need to guess.

Matthew 12
8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

No guessing required. The LORD's day is the day allocated by God on which he worked out His salvation for mankind and not the day allocated to him by man.

 

[gb9]

God's Word makes it clear no need to guess.

Matthew 12
8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Hope this helps.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

greek words for Lord's Day- kyriake hemera .

greek word for Sabbath - sabbaton .

two different words, with the words for Lord's Day being the only time they are used in the N. T.

John, a jewish man who knew the Sabbath from his youth, would have most likely used the word Sabbath if that is what he meant. but, he used a completely different word, for a different day.

 

[Jackson123]

You promise to unswere brother posthuman if he unswere yours,

You do promise to me to unswere me if I unswere yours.

I did unswere yours, (6048) why you not unswere my question?

dear LGF

i believe you should pray to cast the demon that teach you to not honest, the demon lie to you dear.

The demon prevents you to answere the question that will open your eyes and not follow man made law. For your salvation, please do not follow man made law.

you not stone sabbath violator, and you said because God call you to love.

that mean you accused God in OT call Jews to hate.

Devil lie to you dear. God in OT is same god in NT and never call people to hate other, it may hate the sin but not the sinner.

pleace pray for yourself to cast the demon out from your mind dear, it is serious crime to implicitly accused a God call to hate.

if you keep follow man made law, you will not save dear. Repent now

 

[PS]

LGF. Read Numbers 28:9-10.

"On the Sabbath day offer two one-year-old male lambs without any defects, 4 pounds of flour mixed with olive oil as a grain offering, and the wine offering. This burnt offering is to be offered every Sabbath in addition to the daily offering with its wine offering."

They slaughtered two lambs every Sabbath, in addition to the daily sacrifice.

The priests killed the lambs on the Sabbath, they made fires to burn them despite the fact that kindling a fire was expressly forbidden in Exo_35:3. And it was done in the temple, in the place of holiness, where the law should have been most strictly observed.

So much for your Sabbath teaching.

 

[MarcR]

Careful MarcR your fruits are showing.

As said earlier I twisted nothing at all you take a little section out of my post explaining my statement and twisted it as you do the scriptures.

Here let me add my response as to why I said what I said. I will highlight it in RED so you can see it. This next post was the one after your accusations and the response you ignored....


Guess that did not go the way you expected now did it?

Well you do not need to apologise I have already forgiven you.

ONLY God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

Your saying that it is the same does NOT make it the same. Dan_473 was clearly saying that Jesus was subject to the Law and expected to obey it perfectly; and NEVER implied Jesus sinned!

 

[stillness]

John 5:16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. [SUP]17 [/SUP]In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” [SUP]18 [/SUP]For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, [SUP]23 [/SUP]that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself. [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice [SUP]29 [/SUP]and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. [SUP]30 [/SUP]By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. [SUP]32 [/SUP]There is another who testifies in my favor, and I know that his testimony about me is true.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]“You have sent to John and he has testified to the truth. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Not that I accept human testimony; but I mention it that you may be saved. [SUP]35 [/SUP]John was a lamp that burned and gave light, and you chose for a time to enjoy his light.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]“I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish—the very works that I am doing—testify that the Father has sent me. [SUP]37 [/SUP]And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, [SUP]38 [/SUP]nor does his word dwell in you, for you do not believe the one he sent. [SUP]39 [/SUP]You study[SUP] [/SUP]the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, [SUP]40 [/SUP]yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
[SUP]41 [/SUP]“I do not accept glory from human beings, [SUP]42 [/SUP]but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. [SUP]43 [/SUP]I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. [SUP]44 [/SUP]How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. [SUP]46 [/SUP]If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. [SUP]47 [/SUP]But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?

 

[Dan_473]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians5&version=NIRV

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the authority of the law.

since I'm not under the authority of the law, i don't have to do what it says

like, 250 years ago, the king of England had legitimate authority were i live.

but no longer

so, i don't have to pay taxes to Her Majesty's government.
i don't have to do what she says (nothing personal about the Queen, here)

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posted from my phone, blessings!

 

[stillness]

"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the authority of the law."

since I'm not under the authority of the law, i don't have to do what it says

like, 250 years ago, the king of England had legitimate authority were i live.

but no longer

so, i don't have to pay taxes to Her Majesty's government.
i don't have to do what she says (nothing personal about the Queen, here)

If Israel had been able to obey the Law, the whole world would be subject to Israel by now. In much the opposite way that we were almost subject to Germany and Israel wiped out because of the judgment of the Law against them: Blessing for obedience and cursing for disobedience. Judgment was appointed "First to the Jews and then to the gentiles." Gentiles will be judged by the Perfect law of Liberty:
"A new commandment I give to you, that you Love one another; as I have Loved you that you Love one another."
The time of the Gentiles is about to be fulfilled and judgment will come upon the whole world at this time.
After the second world war when Japan surrendered there were still some Japanese on deserted Island upholding the government law they represented. Not knowing is was abolished.

When we have the Holy Spirit, our heart of stone (divided spirit) has to be put away in the death of Christ: the Law on tablets of stones was to expose our heart of stone. This could take 40 days in the wilderness as Jesus did or 40 years in the wilderness for the generation after the flesh to die off: It took me 40 years. The Love of God is written in hearts by the Holy Ghost. "Love does not insist on its own way." We have a choice to enter into rest every day alike or to honor a day above another: could be that "Now we know in part," still somewhat isolated from the kingdom of God on this Island.

 

[Dan_473]

If Israel had been able to obey the Law, the whole world would be subject to Israel by now. In much the opposite way that we were almost subject to Germany and Israel wiped out because of the judgment of the Law against them: Blessing for obedience and cursing for disobedience. Judgment was appointed "First to the Jews and then to the gentiles." Gentiles will be judged by the Perfect law of Liberty:
"A new commandment I give to you, that you Love one another; as I have Loved you that you Love one another."
The time of the Gentiles is about to be fulfilled and judgment will come upon the whole world at this time.
After the second world war when Japan surrendered there were still some Japanese on deserted Island upholding the government law they represented. Not knowing is was abolished.

When we have the Holy Spirit, our heart of stone (divided spirit) has to be put away in the death of Christ: the Law on tablets of stones was to expose our heart of stone. This could take 40 days in the wilderness as Jesus did or 40 years in the wilderness for the generation after the flesh to die off: It took me 40 years. The Love of God is written in hearts by the Holy Ghost. "Love does not insist on its own way." We have a choice to enter into rest every day alike or to honor a day above another: could be that "Now we know in part," still somewhat isolated from the kingdom of God on this Island.

i think i agree with what you're saying

(though not sure if you meant to say that Jesus spent*40 days in the wilderness to expose his heart of stone)

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posted from my phone, blessings!

 

[LoveGodForever]

No guessing required. The LORD's day is the day allocated by God on which he worked out His salvation for mankind and not the day allocated to him by man.

Yes correct that is what the scripture says.

Matthew 12:8
8, For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

 

[LoveGodForever]

dear LGF

i believe you should pray to cast the demon that teach you to not honest, the demon lie to you dear. The demon prevents you to answere the question that will open your eyes and not follow man made law. For your salvation, please do not follow man made law. you not stone sabbath violator, and you said because God call you to love. that mean you accused God in OT call Jews to hate. Devil lie to you dear. God in OT is same god in NT and never call people to hate other, it may hate the sin but not the sinner. pleace pray for yourself to cast the demon out from your mind dear, it is serious crime to implicitly accused a God call to hate. if you keep follow man made law, you will not save dear. Repent now

Jackson you need to read your bible.

What man made law are you referring to in God's Word? You are correct God is the same God as in the OLD and NEW Testament scriptures and these are what we are to live by. God says in the OLD Testament the wages of SIN is death just like he says the wages of SIN is death in the NEW Testament. The religious teachers in the days of Jesus also said he had a devil yet he was the son of God.

You words are your own and you speak of yourself. God's Word is God's. It is the Word of God that will judge all who do not BELIEVE in the last days. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it as it is written;

let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

and again...

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Seems God thinks you are a liar.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodForever]

is this verse call for hate

Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

Hello Jackson,

I made the promise to Posthuman to answer his Questions if he answers mine indeed.

I made no such promise to you, because I already told you that I had already answered your questions with scripture but you do not BELIEVE God's WORD in POST # 6023 linked.

For your reference and the reference of others your posts and the questions in then have been answered so many times with scripture yet you do not believe God's Word and do not understand the OLD and NEW Covenants which is why you are confused.

The last time the above was answered in relation to the CIVIL laws of Israel for breaking God's Commandments under the OLD Covenant and Cooking on the Sabbath was answered nearly 100 pages ago. In case you forgot and for others to see please see POST # 3940 (linked).

In that post there is more links to the penalties for SIN and cooking on the Sabbath under the OLD Covenant which is not relevant today because we are NOT living in Israel and we are in the NEW Covenant.

The death penalty remains for breaking ALL of GOd's Commandments but the execution is at the 2nd Coming in the NEW Covenant not by man.

Of course the scriptures in the OLD Testament are not hate, they are written for our admonition and example to those living in the last days.

It is the Word of God and it is in LOVE that God sends them to us as an example of the penalty of SIN is death but the GIFT is eternal LIFE and FORGIVENESS through out Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 6:23)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodForever]

LGF. Read Numbers 28:9-10.

"On the Sabbath day offer two one-year-old male lambs without any defects, 4 pounds of flour mixed with olive oil as a grain offering, and the wine offering. This burnt offering is to be offered every Sabbath in addition to the daily offering with its wine offering."

They slaughtered two lambs every Sabbath, in addition to the daily sacrifice.

The priests killed the lambs on the Sabbath, they made fires to burn them despite the fact that kindling a fire was expressly forbidden in Exo_35:3. And it was done in the temple, in the place of holiness, where the law should have been most strictly observed.

So much for your Sabbath teaching.

Hello PS, it is not my Sabbath teaching ir is God's WORD.

Your post only shows you do not understand the OLD Covenant or the NEW. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath and Jesus is the Lord of it (Mark 2:27-28).

Do you know what made up the OLD Covenant laws and which were shadows pointing to Jesus and which were forever that give us a KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS?

Reading the OP here would be a good start. Your post only tells me you did not READ the OP here.

Sin is the breaking of ANY of God's commandments (James 2:8-12; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).