GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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why don't you enlighten us on ms. white and the 28 points of being a sda . would love to hear that!
I do not share my own words but the Word of him who sends me; What he tells me in secret I must preach on the housetops. He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me. Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.

He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Do you know the scriuptures posted above gb9?

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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Hello friend,

You have God's Word shared with you many times already but you choose not to BELIEVE that we are living in the NEW Covenant.

You do not need to justify yourself or your actions to me my friend.

You can choose to BELIEVE God's WORD or not to BELIEVE God's WORD. I do not judge you. Work out out own salvation with fear and trembling. It is God who will be your judge if you break his commandments not me.

It is the Word of God we accept or reject that will judge us all in the last days.

You have no rest because you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

Isaiah 48:22, There is no peace (REST), said the LORD, to the wicked (SIN).

Isaiah 57
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But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21, There is no peace (rest), said my God, to the wicked (SIN).

Hebrews 3
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Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9, When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10, Why I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
11, So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.
12, Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14, For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end;
15, While it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
16, For some, when they had heard, did provoke: however, not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17, But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18, And to whom swore he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19, So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Hebrews 4
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Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4, For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Those who CONTINUE in UNBELIEF and UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Dear you have been warn so many time.

now up to you go chose to do God law or man made law

if you do sabbath law as OT say than you have to follow All God command about sabbath in the OT, not man made law

If you believe sabbath or rest only happen when you accept Christ, than you not need to kill sabbath violator

I try to help you by asked question, why you afraid to answere dear?

Let me ask you you one more time

Is in this verse bellow God teach to love or to hate?

[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

for your own benefit I hope you not afraid to answere.
 
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Dear you have been warn so many time. now up to you go chose to do God law or man made lawif you do sabbath law as OT say than you have to follow All God command about sabbath in the OT, not man made law
If you believe sabbath or rest only happen when you accept Christ, than you not need to kill sabbath violator
I try to help you by asked question, why you afraid to answere dear? Let me ask you you one more time Is in this verse bellow God teach to love or to hate?
Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath
32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

for your own benefit I hope you not afraid to answere.
Good for you friend,

All your questions have been answered with scripture throughout this thread yet you choose to ignore them. You are asked questions and you ignore them.

You are free to believe and do as you wish I do not stop you. You will need to answer to God not me so work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God when you are sinning against him. Whether you believe or not it is up to you.

Those who CONTINUE in UNBELIEF and UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Good for you friend,

All your questions have been answered with scripture throughout this thread yet you choose to ignore them. You are asked questions and you ignore them.

You are free to believe and do as you wish I do not stop you. You will need to answer to God not me so work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God when you are sinning against him. Whether you believe or not it is up to you.

Those who CONTINUE in UNBELIEF and UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
simple question dear why you afraid to answere

is this vers bellow love or hate


[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.


so simple need one word, why you afraid to answere?

or you start to understand you mistake

remember you say that you not stone sabbath violator because you are called to love
implicitly you accused this verse is calling for hate

than I ask you question is these verse for love or for hate, you afraid to answere

i hope it is good sign, mean you start to learn the word dear

now the next step is, stop follow man made law

 
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simple question dear why you afraid to answere

is this vers bellow love or hate


Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)

Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.


so simple need one word, why you afraid to answere?

or you start to understand you mistake

remember you say that you not stone sabbath violator because you are called to love
implicitly you accused this verse is calling for hate

than I ask you question is these verse for love or for hate, you afraid to answere

i hope it is good sign, mean you start to learn the word dear

now the next step is, stop follow man made law

Hello Jackson, You really have no peace do you?
 

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Let me make easier dear

[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

chose wich is correct

1 the verse above is calling for hate

2. God is love and the verse above is calling for love

if you think 1 is correct than say 1, so simple cave man need a second to response
 

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Hello Jackson, You really have no peace do you?
dear, do you accused this verse call for no peace?

I am not make this verse dear it is God.

You accused God do not have a peace because you do not understand the concept of God word, that is why you follow man made law

repent my dear I believe devil convince you not to answere my simple question, because if you do, you will save and devil want to keep you follow him by follow man made law
Wake up my dear, before to late

​man made law led you to hell dear. Wake up and repent now
 
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If your eyes are not open you cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear.

Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Those who CONTINUE in UNBELIEF and UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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If your eyes are not open you cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear.

Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Those who CONTINUE in UNBELIEF and UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
My dear, to open your eyes, please unswere my question, yes or no quetion is this verse bellow God call to hate? Yes or no

[h=1]Numbers 15:32-36 New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]Penalty for Violating the Sabbath[/h]32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.
 

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My dear,

Do not let devil close your eyes by not answere my super simple question. I fell devil work in your heart dear, place say no to the devil and yes to Jesus by unswere my question

let me pray for you dear

in the name of Jesus, I command devil out from my dear LGF, and the Spirit of God will led him to answere this simple question
 

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Hello friend,

None of what you have posted has any truth in it whatsoever, as it is written; He whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I do not share my own words but the Word of him who sends me; What he tells me in secret I must preach on the housetops. He that believes on me, believes not on me, but on him that sent me.
Yet you have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day.

He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Do you know the scriuptures posted above MarcR?

I am not quite sure what is more disturbing, what you have written or the likes you have received from your friends.

SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's Commandments (Rom 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.......................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).



Your denying it here is no different from your denying it earlier! You were shown precisely where and how you twisted Dan_437's words. Denying it 500 times will NOT change it. every time you deny it you add another lie proving my point.
Since my primary reason for being on this thread is to discredit you and those who think like you, I welcome your repeated denials because each one proves my point more blatantly.
 
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Your denying it here is no different from your denying it earlier! You were shown precisely where and how you twisted Dan_437's words. Denying it 500 times will NOT change it. every time you deny it you add another lie proving my point.
Since my primary reason for being on this thread is to discredit you and those who think like you, I welcome your repeated denials because each one proves my point more blatantly.
Hello MarcR do you know God's Word? I have twisted nothing at all. I share God's Word you deny it because it does not agree with you. Neither do you share scripture. You indeed have no truth in you. The Words that I speak unto you they are Spirit and they are truth.
 
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Why can't you answer Jackson's question?
I already have many times thorughout this thread with scripture yet he does not believe God's Word and wants to live in the Old Covenant to follow the CIVIL laws of Israel. Only God's Word is true we shiould believe and follow it. Following your Catholic Heritage will not save you.
 

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Do i make tzitzit yes or no, and why or why not?

Do i keep new moon festival yes or no, and why or why not?

Simple questions.
 

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I already have many times thorughout this thread with scripture yet he does not believe God's Word and wants to live in the Old Covenant to follow the CIVIL laws of Israel.
It is a simple question only takes 1 sentence. But you write 50 paragraphs in order not to answer it.

Why not
 
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Do i make tzitzit yes or no, and why or why not? Do i keep new moon festival yes or no, and why or why not? Simple questions.
You can do what you like. You are free to follow Gods Word of not to follow God's Word.
 

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You can do what you like. You are free to follow Gods Word of not to follow God's Word.
Oh you edit post to imply I go to hell.

So question remains answered -

Do I go to hell because I don't wear tzitzit with blue cord or keep new moon festival according to Scripture, yes or no?

Simple question for one who has mastery of scripture such as yourself.
 
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You can do what you like. You are free to follow Gods Word of not to follow God's Word.
I will answer your question if you answer mine;

1. If someone is professing to be a Christian but is living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are they in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?

2. Where in God's WOrd does it say God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).