The Rapture

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Endoscopy

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I would agree with you other than the fact that the Rapture will occur BEFORE the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. The last 3 1/2 years acre the Great Tribulation, but the first 3 1/2 years are given over to Satan and the Antichrist totally. That cannot be possible unless the Holy Spirit -- the Divine Restrainer -- is "taken out of the way" (removed from the earth). Since the Holy Spirit indwells the saints, the Church must also be taken out of the way simultaneously.
Keep in mind that Daniel says it is a closed book until the end. The book will only be opened in the end times
 

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I would agree with you other than the fact that the Rapture will occur BEFORE the beginning of Daniel's 70th week. The last 3 1/2 years are the Great Tribulation, but the first 3 1/2 years are given over to Satan and the Antichrist totally. That cannot be possible unless the Holy Spirit -- the Divine Restrainer -- is "taken out of the way" (removed from the earth). Since the Holy Spirit indwells the saints, the Church must also be taken out of the way simultaneously.
The Anti-Christ will wear the Saints out in their struggle against him. He's on the Scene before the last 3 and a half years. He is in a political position to make peace with Israel and then break that peace at the beginning of the last 3 and a half year period, in the Winter may I might add. Christians are persecuted at this very moment and will be until the beginning of the 3 and a half year final Tribulation period happening in the middle of Daniel's 70th week. This Ant-Christ will be the 6th the world has known. The World has seen 5 so far.....
 

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Keep in mind that Daniel says it is a closed book until the end. The book will only be opened in the end times
Come May of this year watch Jerusalem. You will realize that you are in the end times and that book is starting to open up.
 

Nehemiah6

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Keep in mind that Daniel says it is a closed book until the end. The book will only be opened in the end times
That is incorrect. Daniel's prophecies have been opened to us in the New Testament, and that is what he was referring to. Christ mentioned the Abomination of Desolation, and the apostles have provided more details in the NT regarding Daniel's 70th week.
 

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Jesus's body was handled by the Disciples. Can't do that with a spirit. If you do not believe that Jesus arose in the flesh then you are NOT a Christian and have no part with us. As he has risen in the flesh so will we. That is our hope in Christ.
Jesus indeed rose in the flesh, looking just like he did as a man. He still had the holes in His hands and side. That was for identification purposes. Everyone says that we will have glorified bodies, after our resurrection. I don't agree, we will be spirit. John said: John 4:24: “God is spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” and in 1 John 3:2: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is." Sounds like we will be spirits too.

Luke 21:25-27: “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. The sea and the waves roaring; and then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.” When Jesus comes back, His countenance will be like the sunrise: glorious!

Here is a little taste of what He will look like: Revelation 1:12-16: “And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.” I rest my case. :cool:
 
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Ahwatukee

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The Anti-Christ will wear the Saints out in their struggle against him.


Greetings Roadkill,

Those saints that you speak of from Revelation 13, will be the great tribulation saints which are introduced in Rev.7:9-17 and is not referring to the church. The church will have been gathered prior to the first seal being opened, which is what initiates God's wrath. In support of this, it is Jesus who is the One opening the seals, which lead into the trumpets, and followed by the bowl judgments. It is through these three sets of seven judgments that God is going to carry out his wrath, as well as with the plagues that the two witnesses perform.

Christians are persecuted at this very moment and will be until the beginning of the 3 and a half year final Tribulation period happening in the middle of Daniel's 70th week.


From the on-set of the church until the resurrection, the church will continue to suffer the trials and tribulation that the Lord said we would experience. It is important to understand that there is a difference between those trials and tribulation vs. God's coming tribulation of wrath. It is God's wrath that believers are not appointed to suffer and that Jesus rescues us from. God's wrath begins after the church is gathered. This is exactly why we see the word "Ekklesia" Translated "church" used throughout chapters 1 thru 3 but never see it used within the narrative of God's wrath, ergo, the church is no longer on the earth from that point on.

The only antichrist of concern is "thee antichrist" the one written about who comes into power during that last seven years leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age.

What are you going to conclude when May of this year does not produce a ground-breaking for the temple? What will you conclude regarding that 14 foot angel who gave you this information?
 
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Come May of this year watch Jerusalem. You will realize that you are in the end times and that book is starting to open up.
At 73 I have heard this before several times. I ignore these claims. Every one of them has failed to come to pass. Why should I believe you know the truth?
 

Endoscopy

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That is incorrect. Daniel's prophecies have been opened to us in the New Testament, and that is what he was referring to. Christ mentioned the Abomination of Desolation, and the apostles have provided more details in the NT regarding Daniel's 70th week.
Try again. Daniel claims the book is closed until the end times. It is almost 2000 years since Jesus came. Obviously Jesus time on earth was not the end times. Where is the new temple? The end times is not yet here.
 

Nehemiah6

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Obviously Jesus time on earth was not the end times.
Evidently you missed this Scripture (Heb 1:1,2):

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds...

The "last days" began with the first coming of Christ, and bear in mind that with God 1,000 years are as one day.
 

louis

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Evidently you missed this Scripture (Heb 1:1,2):

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds...

The "last days" began with the first coming of Christ, and bear in mind that with God 1,000 years are as one day.
You do understand the context of "...in these last days...", in Heb 1:1-2 being in reference to the then just past events, and not in reference to the end times???
 

tanakh

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Evidently you missed this Scripture (Heb 1:1,2):

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds...

The "last days" began with the first coming of Christ, and bear in mind that with God 1,000 years are as one day.

People who use Peters statement usually base it on the seven days of creation ie 1000 years for each creative day. Going by this and your posting, if Christs first coming started the last days and about 2000 years have gone by that means we have at least another 4000 years to go before he returns.
 

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This is TOTAL BS! You need to quit twisting God's word. 70AD destruction of Jerusalem was a Judgement on the Jews but not the Times of Tribulation that Daniel wrote of. This period will be so bad that nothing in man's history will be able to compare to it. Many things have happened that are worse than the siege of Jerusalem in 70AD.

You are twisting. The great tribulation (Mt 24:21) and the times of trouble in Dan 9 and 12 were all about the end of Israel in 70 AD. I suggest you study history before you ramble on about things you have no idea about. Just a kind suggestion.


 

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Jesus's body was handled by the Disciples. Can't do that with a spirit. If you do not believe that Jesus arose in the flesh then you are NOT a Christian and have no part with us. As he has risen in the flesh so will we. That is our hope in Christ.
I agree that Christ arose in the flesh as did those whose graves opened nearby. But when Christ ascended back into heaven, He then transformed into a spiritual being seen as a bright light. Keep in mind, Christ's body never saw corruption like other human bodies do and did. Peter teaches us this very clearly in Acts 2.

However, I totally disagree that we will rise in the flesh. This view is contrary to Paul's teaching in 1 Cor 15:42 and 2 Cor 5:1-5. The body is sown in corruption and raised in incorruption. Our earthly tent is replaced with our habitation from heaven. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. There will not be one molecule from our flesh bodies that will make up our spiritual bodies.
 

tanakh

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At 73 I have heard this before several times. I ignore these claims. Every one of them has failed to come to pass. Why should I believe you know the truth?
Anything that happens in Jerusalem will be seized upon as fulfilled Prophecy by someone. The most likely thing to happen is Trump making good his proposal to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem followed by a predictable violent Palestinian reaction and the usual UN outrage. Please note I am not making a Prophecy I leave all that to the in house ''experts''
 
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Roadkill

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Jesus indeed rose in the flesh, looking just like he did as a man. He still had the holes in His hands and side. That was for identification purposes. Everyone says that we will have glorified bodies, after our resurrection. I don't agree, we will be spirit. John said: John 4:24: “God is spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth.” and in 1 John 3:2: "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is." Sounds like we will be spirits too.

Luke 21:25-27: “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. The sea and the waves roaring; and then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.” When Jesus comes back, His countenance will be like the sunrise: glorious!

Here is a little taste of what He will look like: Revelation 1:12-16: “And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.” I rest my case. :cool:
Jesus raised from the dead 4 people that I'm aware of in the New Testament not including those that arose when he Resurrected. This demonstrated his power over Physical Death. Your body will be Resurrected in the same manner but this time it will have sin and death separated from it and it will be far more powerful. We will not be God's like the Mormon's teach but we will be a stronger version of ourselves in the flesh.
 

Roadkill

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Greetings Roadkill,

Those saints that you speak of from Revelation 13, will be the great tribulation saints which are introduced in Rev.7:9-17 and is not referring to the church. The church will have been gathered prior to the first seal being opened, which is what initiates God's wrath. In support of this, it is Jesus who is the One opening the seals, which lead into the trumpets, and followed by the bowl judgments. It is through these three sets of seven judgments that God is going to carry out his wrath, as well as with the plagues that the two witnesses perform.



From the on-set of the church until the resurrection, the church will continue to suffer the trials and tribulation that the Lord said we would experience. It is important to understand that there is a difference between those trials and tribulation vs. God's coming tribulation of wrath. It is God's wrath that believers are not appointed to suffer and that Jesus rescues us from. God's wrath begins after the church is gathered. This is exactly why we see the word "Ekklesia" Translated "church" used throughout chapters 1 thru 3 but never see it used within the narrative of God's wrath, ergo, the church is no longer on the earth from that point on.

The only antichrist of concern is "thee antichrist" the one written about who comes into power during that last seven years leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age.

What are you going to conclude when May of this year does not produce a ground-breaking for the temple? What will you conclude regarding that 14 foot angel who gave you this information?
The previous Spirit of Ant-Christ have been in 5 persons previously. The thing to note is the mark of the Beast is 666. These numbers hint at various aspects of THE Anti-Christ of the Tribulation Period. One of the 6's represents that he will be the Sixth and final of these persons.

The previous persons with the Spirit of Ant-Christ have openly and secretly persecuted the Jews and Church. They have worn many out in that they killed them. This continues to this day in certain countries.

Agreed what Revelations say about the wearing out of the Saint in the Great Tribulation Period but this also occurs to Saints of this Age when they receive persecution. Who do you think is doing the Persecuting of the Saints? That's right, the Spirit of the Anti-Christ.

I've already told you what I will conclude and do Ahwatukee. Until then pay attention cause when May comes and goes I will NOT repeat all of this. I may just shut off my account just because of people's lack of faith if instructed to do so. So you may not be able to ask any questions of me in the future.
 

Roadkill

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At 73 I have heard this before several times. I ignore these claims. Every one of them has failed to come to pass. Why should I believe you know the truth?
I've been allowed to give a Sign in May. Watch and see. This will be my only verification of the account I gave of 2065 is true. Sorry Endoscopy, you and I will see this from the Other side of this Life.
 

Roadkill

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You are twisting. The great tribulation (Mt 24:21) and the times of trouble in Dan 9 and 12 were all about the end of Israel in 70 AD. I suggest you study history before you ramble on about things you have no idea about. Just a kind suggestion.


And yet Israel still Exists. This fact alone punches a massive hole in your doctrine. Again Jesus gave a hint that the Siege of Jerusalem during the Great Tribulation Period would happen in WINTER. He overlapped both Seiges in one prediction friend. The Siege and the Destruction of the Temple Mount happened in the SUMMER of 70AD
 

Roadkill

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I agree that Christ arose in the flesh as did those whose graves opened nearby. But when Christ ascended back into heaven, He then transformed into a spiritual being seen as a bright light. Keep in mind, Christ's body never saw corruption like other human bodies do and did. Peter teaches us this very clearly in Acts 2.

However, I totally disagree that we will rise in the flesh. This view is contrary to Paul's teaching in 1 Cor 15:42 and 2 Cor 5:1-5. The body is sown in corruption and raised in incorruption. Our earthly tent is replaced with our habitation from heaven. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven. There will not be one molecule from our flesh bodies that will make up our spiritual bodies.
There are several places in the Old Testament where God gives a Prophet visions of corpses being risen from the Dead. Do your own research. Adam and Eve had Physical bodies that become corrupted with Sin and therefore God punished them with death. If it was so before the fall of Adam what makes you so certain that it won't be so after we are returned by Jesus to God? In another sense, are Angels spirits? They have never known physical death so how would this be so? But yet they can transverse between the Spiritual world as we know it and do things in the physical world. Demons, on the other hand, are Spirits in that they were stripped of their bodies(physical death) and sent to Earth. They are in Spirit form only now(except one). They will sent to Hell when the time is right according to God's will.
 

Roadkill

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Anything that happens in Jerusalem will be seized upon as fulfilled Prophecy by someone. The most likely thing to happen is Trump making good his proposal to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem followed by a predictable violent Palestinian reaction and the usual UN outrage. Please note I am not making a Prophecy I leave all that to the in house ''experts''
I'm not trying to fulfill a Prophecy. I'm trying to give you a Near Date Event Sign that what I wrote about The Rapture and it's season and year are true. Do you not agree for someone to give a prediction that an Agreement will be made to build the Temple in Jerusalem and that the foundation lines will be staked out in May of this year(2018) an impossibility to know at this moment in time?

Again, I am not a Prophet. Was told this and allowed to put this out as a SIGN of what I wrote about The Rapture is true.