GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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yes, listen to all the Words of Jesus*
Matthew 7: 24. "Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock. 25. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it didn't fall, for it was founded on the rock.
1 Corinthians 10: 1. Now I would not have you ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2. and were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3. and all ate the same spiritual food; 4. and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.
Matthew 7: 24. "Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock. 25. The rain came down, the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat on that house; and it didn't fall, for it was founded on the rock.
1 Corinthians 10: 1. Now I would not have you ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2. and were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3. and all ate the same spiritual food; 4. and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ.
Remember, you said all the words.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
So we have shown that the Law and Prophets had at least two purposes. One, to give us some insight into God's plan for humans. Some of which has come to pass, and some of which has not. Two, to show us examples of the consequences of people who trusted God enough to follow His instructions, and people who only served Him with their lips.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
So we have shown that the Law and Prophets had at least two purposes. One, to give us some insight into God's plan for humans. Some of which has come to pass, and some of which has not. Two, to show us examples of the consequences of people who trusted God enough to follow His instructions, and people who only served Him with their lips.
Hey there brother. Praise GOD for HE is good!
Just want to share something in respect to Matt 5:17-19. Any feed back you might have will definitely be taken in consideration. Amen!
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (becoming). Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Mat 5:17-19)
Fulfilled in verse 18 is ginomai in the Greek. Which by definition is "to cause to be" (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become.
Though one can certainly conjoin the law and the prophets in respect to context. The immediate context in verse 18 and 19 is the law. It is a fact that all that the prophets had prophesied had yet to come to pass. But it is a fact also that the Law; in the all (us) has yet to become to it's fullest. A direct translation looks something like this, "not one jot or tittle be passing by the law, until all may be becoming"
For GOD has said, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will no longer be in my remembrance."
(Heb 10:14-17)
Just want to share something in respect to Matt 5:17-19. Any feed back you might have will definitely be taken in consideration. Amen!
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (becoming). Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
(Mat 5:17-19)
Fulfilled in verse 18 is ginomai in the Greek. Which by definition is "to cause to be" (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become.
Though one can certainly conjoin the law and the prophets in respect to context. The immediate context in verse 18 and 19 is the law. It is a fact that all that the prophets had prophesied had yet to come to pass. But it is a fact also that the Law; in the all (us) has yet to become to it's fullest. A direct translation looks something like this, "not one jot or tittle be passing by the law, until all may be becoming"
For GOD has said, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will no longer be in my remembrance."
(Heb 10:14-17)
How so? SDA's continuously point out that breaking any of the 10 Commandments (with a heavy emphasis on the 4th Commandment) is sin and the implication seems to be that anyone who does not believe that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant and does not keep the Jewish weekly Sabbath is willfully sinning and will not be saved. Are they also implying that they perfectly obey the 10 Commandments 100% of the time and qualify for heaven under those terms?
this statement is wrong then?
the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." ?
relates to
Ezekiel 37: 9. And he said to me, Be a prophet to the wind, be a prophet, son of man, and say to the wind, The Lord has said: Come from the four winds, O wind, breathing on these dead so that they may come to life. 10. And I gave the word at his orders, and breath came into them, and they came to life and got up on their feet, a very great army.
the entire law is fulfilled in one word, in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." ?
relates to
Ezekiel 37: 9. And he said to me, Be a prophet to the wind, be a prophet, son of man, and say to the wind, The Lord has said: Come from the four winds, O wind, breathing on these dead so that they may come to life. 10. And I gave the word at his orders, and breath came into them, and they came to life and got up on their feet, a very great army.
Yes, Jesus did say this before becoming a man. And He confirms it again after becoming a man.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
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But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Deut. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
Same message from Jesus as God of Abraham, same message from Jesus as the Son of God. Like He said: "I and My Father are one".
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:
48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
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But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Deut. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (Jesus) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
Same message from Jesus as God of Abraham, same message from Jesus as the Son of God. Like He said: "I and My Father are one".
Actually the ten commandments are easy to keep,for there is only ten of them,and you keep the 4th by receiving the Spirit for it is a spiritual rest in the New Testament,which God said He will speak to the people in the New Testament with a new tongue,and this is the rest,and the refreshing,but they would not hear,and Jesus took the sabbath days away nailing them to His cross.
Love works no ill towards their neighbor,there love is the fulfilling of the law,and charity is greater than faith.
The ten commandments are easy to keep,but it is love that is harder by way of abstain from fleshy pleasures that war against the soul,and love not the world or the things that are in the world that come from people that God does not approve of like worldly movies,and television,and if you go by your wants which neglects the poor and needy then you are nothing,and you have erred from the faith,and your faith is dead,and the love of God does not dwell in you,and name calling,and belittling,and slandering,and filthy talk,and keep yourself unspotted from the world.
Christians err more in those things than the ten commandments,and anything that is not of love is sin,which Paul said love does not think an evil thought,and abstains from sin by the Spirit,and is not selfish,and not arrogant,and not unkind,and goes by their needs,and not their wants while people need help,and helps the poor and needy is possible,and helps people with whatever they need help.
Love is the fulfilling of the law,and people should be more worried about those other sins that Christians do the most and err then the ten commandments.
Christians neglect the poor and needy,and go by their wants money,and material,and enjoy worldly things,and fleshy pleasures,and belittling,and name calling,and arrogant,than neglecting the ten commandments.
Love works no ill towards their neighbor,there love is the fulfilling of the law,and charity is greater than faith.
The ten commandments are easy to keep,but it is love that is harder by way of abstain from fleshy pleasures that war against the soul,and love not the world or the things that are in the world that come from people that God does not approve of like worldly movies,and television,and if you go by your wants which neglects the poor and needy then you are nothing,and you have erred from the faith,and your faith is dead,and the love of God does not dwell in you,and name calling,and belittling,and slandering,and filthy talk,and keep yourself unspotted from the world.
Christians err more in those things than the ten commandments,and anything that is not of love is sin,which Paul said love does not think an evil thought,and abstains from sin by the Spirit,and is not selfish,and not arrogant,and not unkind,and goes by their needs,and not their wants while people need help,and helps the poor and needy is possible,and helps people with whatever they need help.
Love is the fulfilling of the law,and people should be more worried about those other sins that Christians do the most and err then the ten commandments.
Christians neglect the poor and needy,and go by their wants money,and material,and enjoy worldly things,and fleshy pleasures,and belittling,and name calling,and arrogant,than neglecting the ten commandments.
very true!
this is the law and the prophets: whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them.
Luke 16: 16. The law and the prophets were until John. From that time the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tiny stroke of a pen in the law to fall. 18. Everyone who divorces his wife, and marries another, commits adultery. He who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.
this is the law and the prophets: whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them.
Luke 16: 16. The law and the prophets were until John. From that time the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. 17. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tiny stroke of a pen in the law to fall. 18. Everyone who divorces his wife, and marries another, commits adultery. He who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery.
Yeah right! 
It is written, Christ, His Word, HIS Laws are to be in our hearts, mouths, minds and hands that we do it.
The LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts; the circumcision made without hands through HIS Spirit. For it is HE that works in us to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not that our sufficiency is of ourselves but our sufficiency is of GOD. Not us but Christ! For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live we live by the Faith of the Son of God who gave Himself for us. For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.For Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law in our mouths and in our hearts) is the end of the written law for righteousness to everyone that believeth that it is in their hearts, minds, mouths and in their hands that they do it. That is the Faith to which we speak and that my friend is the GOSPEL; the New Covenant. For the LORD will circumcise our hearts. The circumcision made without hands. The circumcision of Christ!
Like I said no one is teaching what you say here.
It is written, Christ, His Word, HIS Laws are to be in our hearts, mouths, minds and hands that we do it.
The LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts; the circumcision made without hands through HIS Spirit. For it is HE that works in us to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not that our sufficiency is of ourselves but our sufficiency is of GOD. Not us but Christ! For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live we live by the Faith of the Son of God who gave Himself for us. For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
For Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law in our mouths and in our hearts) is the end of the written law for righteousness to everyone that believeth that it is in their hearts, minds, mouths and in their hands that they do it. That is the Faith to which we speak and that my friend is the GOSPEL; the New Covenant. For the LORD will circumcise our hearts. The circumcision made without hands. The circumcision of Christ!
It is written, Christ, His Word, HIS Laws are to be in our hearts, mouths, minds and hands that we do it.
The LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts; the circumcision made without hands through HIS Spirit. For it is HE that works in us to will and do HIS good pleasure. Not that our sufficiency is of ourselves but our sufficiency is of GOD. Not us but Christ! For we are dead nevertheless we live yet not us but Christ liveth in us and the life we now live we live by the Faith of the Son of God who gave Himself for us. For the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.For Christ (the Word; the Book of the Law in our mouths and in our hearts) is the end of the written law for righteousness to everyone that believeth that it is in their hearts, minds, mouths and in their hands that they do it. That is the Faith to which we speak and that my friend is the GOSPEL; the New Covenant. For the LORD will circumcise our hearts. The circumcision made without hands. The circumcision of Christ!
The Gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To BELIEVE the Gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation (Romans 1:16).
1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE.
Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles -- 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. 8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; 10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, 11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
Yes, true
and
"'You shall not crossbreed different kinds of animals. "'you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; "'neither shall there come upon on you a garment made of two kinds of material.
and
Leviticus 15: 22. Whoever touches anything that she sits on shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening. 23. If it is on the bed, or on anything whereon she sits, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until the evening.
and
"'You shall not crossbreed different kinds of animals. "'you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed; "'neither shall there come upon on you a garment made of two kinds of material.
and
Leviticus 15: 22. Whoever touches anything that she sits on shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the evening. 23. If it is on the bed, or on anything whereon she sits, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until the evening.
Like you said Dan, Jesus was born and "fulfilled" the prophesies regarding that promise, no need that another Jesus be born. His Law is fulfilled in one sentence "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself". No need that another law be given.
Would a wise man reject God's Word if he loved himself? So if I loved my neighbor as myself, I would let my neighbor also see the Word of God, Yes?
If I stole from my neighbor, that would be in violation of this commandments, yes?
If I coveted my neighbors stuff, that would be in violation of this commandment, Yes?
If I lusted after my neighbors wife, that would be in violation of this commandments, Yes?
If I killed my neighbor, or hated him without a cause, that would be in direct disobedience to this commandment, Yes?
If I created an image of God in the likeness of man, and gave this image to my neighbor, that would be in direct violation to this commandment, Yes?
If I lied to my neighbor, deceived him into believing something that was not true, that would be in direct violation to this commandment, Yes.
If I placed my desires, my religious customs, my definition of love before God, how is that loving myself? And if I teach my neighbor to do the same, isn't that in direct violation to both the "First and Greatest Commandment, and also "To love my neighbor as myself?
Doesn't fulfill mean to "Continue in". If I love one neighbor as myself, can I then say; "OK, I have fulfilled the requirement of this law, I can now continue on as I please"?
If I decide not to steal from one neighbor in "fulfillment" of the Old Testament command, "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thy self", have I then fulfilled this law and am free to steal from the next guy?
I would say no. To fulfill the commandment "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself" would mean to continue in it. As it is written;
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;32 And (then) ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Rom. 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
So I do believe this scripture as well as all the others.
Would a wise man reject God's Word if he loved himself? So if I loved my neighbor as myself, I would let my neighbor also see the Word of God, Yes?
If I stole from my neighbor, that would be in violation of this commandments, yes?
If I coveted my neighbors stuff, that would be in violation of this commandment, Yes?
If I lusted after my neighbors wife, that would be in violation of this commandments, Yes?
If I killed my neighbor, or hated him without a cause, that would be in direct disobedience to this commandment, Yes?
If I created an image of God in the likeness of man, and gave this image to my neighbor, that would be in direct violation to this commandment, Yes?
If I lied to my neighbor, deceived him into believing something that was not true, that would be in direct violation to this commandment, Yes.
If I placed my desires, my religious customs, my definition of love before God, how is that loving myself? And if I teach my neighbor to do the same, isn't that in direct violation to both the "First and Greatest Commandment, and also "To love my neighbor as myself?
Doesn't fulfill mean to "Continue in". If I love one neighbor as myself, can I then say; "OK, I have fulfilled the requirement of this law, I can now continue on as I please"?
If I decide not to steal from one neighbor in "fulfillment" of the Old Testament command, "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thy self", have I then fulfilled this law and am free to steal from the next guy?
I would say no. To fulfill the commandment "Thou shall love thy neighbor as thyself" would mean to continue in it. As it is written;
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;32 And (then) ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Rom. 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
So I do believe this scripture as well as all the others.
and this
Deuteronomy 25: 4. You shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out [the grain].
which it turns out means pay the preacher
Is it for the oxen that God cares, 10. or does he say it assuredly for our sake?
Deuteronomy 25: 5. If brothers dwell together, and one of them die, and have no son, the wife of the dead shall not be married outside to a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in to her, and take her to him as wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. 6. It shall be, that the firstborn whom she bears shall succeed in the name of his brother who is dead, that his name not be blotted out of Israel. 7. If the man doesn't want to take his brother's wife, then his brother's wife shall go up to the gate to the elders, and say, "My husband's brother refuses to raise up to his brother a name in Israel; he will not perform the duty of a husband's brother to me."
Deuteronomy 25: 4. You shall not muzzle the ox when he treads out [the grain].
which it turns out means pay the preacher
Is it for the oxen that God cares, 10. or does he say it assuredly for our sake?
Deuteronomy 25: 5. If brothers dwell together, and one of them die, and have no son, the wife of the dead shall not be married outside to a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in to her, and take her to him as wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother to her. 6. It shall be, that the firstborn whom she bears shall succeed in the name of his brother who is dead, that his name not be blotted out of Israel. 7. If the man doesn't want to take his brother's wife, then his brother's wife shall go up to the gate to the elders, and say, "My husband's brother refuses to raise up to his brother a name in Israel; he will not perform the duty of a husband's brother to me."
if you loved your neighbor, would you participate in a stoning?
You shall be holy to me: for I, the Lord, am holy, and have set you apart from the peoples, that you should be mine. 27. "'A man or a woman that is a medium, or is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.'"
You shall be holy to me: for I, the Lord, am holy, and have set you apart from the peoples, that you should be mine. 27. "'A man or a woman that is a medium, or is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them.'"