Not By Works

LoveGodForever · Feb 20, 2018

Like I said earlier; it is written that the Devils also BELIEVE but will they enter God's Kingdom?

That is why I asked you earlier and you did not answer; What does it mean (in your view) to believe God's Word or Believe in Jesus?

So in your view if God says to take up your cross and follow him and we do not take up our cross and follow Jesus are we believing God or NOT Believing Gods Word?

Magenta · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Sadly, that is true. Meanwhile he will go on and on about how
we must accept what Scriptures say, and be offended when this is
brought to his attention, though he himself says he would rather
offend people than remain silent concerning the Truth of God's Word!

In the beginning was the Word, and the
Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among
us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only
Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

NoNameMcgee · Feb 20, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

romans 10

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

i believe with my heart

confess with my mouth that Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior

and He saves me.... nothing i do after this
and nothing i did before this

will effect the fact i am now born again

He will in no wise cast me out as He has promised

i could sit here all day and boast of works

but nah

they have nothing to do with why im saved (forever)

LoveGodForever · Feb 20, 2018

Magenta said:

Romans 2
1, Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are that judge: for wherein you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you that judge do the same things.
2, But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
3, And think you this, O man, that judge them which do such things, and do the same, that you shall escape the judgment of God?
4, Or despise you the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5, But after your hardness and impenitent heart treasure up to yourself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6, Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
7, To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
8, But to them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Rom 3:4
God forbid: yes, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged.

John 3:34
34, For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE AND FOLLOW it. SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY pracrice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

NoNameMcgee · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

heres some for you

1.

john 6
27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

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2.

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

1 Samuel 16:7
7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the Lord seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.

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3.

1 peter 1

3.Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

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4.

1 john 3

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

romans 4

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

bump........

Magenta · Feb 20, 2018

Then you have the types who will rationalize their rejection of Scripture, saying they go mainly by the "red letters" i.e., those words that Jesus is supposed to have said. But those red letter quotes are written by the very same apostles that irrational people will say cannot be trusted in anything else they have said. The human mind of the blind is certainly not short of ways to rationalize their illogical nonsense.

NoNameMcgee · Feb 20, 2018

Magenta said:

im feelin pretty sad

its like taking a horse to water

trying to get him to drink
but he wont drink

so you force the water in his mouth

and he spits it out.....

LoveGodForever · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Now NNM why you think the scriptures you have posted here have anything to do with what we are talking about it beyond me. I believe the scriptures you have posted above it is only your interpretation of them. Maybe I have an incorrect interpretaiton of what your trying to say so please help me.

Are you saying that if someone is professing to be a Christian and they are living a LIFE of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN they are in a saved state before God because in WORD only they say that they believe in God like the devils also believe in God?

If that is your thinking my friend you need to re-read the scriptures. SIN will keep all who practice it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Magenta · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Don't be sad! You are doing your part

Only the Holy Spirit of God can open their eyes.

NoNameMcgee · Feb 20, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

i agree...

it certainly seems to be...

im going to pray for God to give you eyes to see

because speaking to you and trying to shine a light for you isnt working

LoveGodForever · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Well that has no truth in it whatsoever. Let's make this perfectly clear so there is no guessing to what I believe.

We are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any MAN should boast (Eph 2:8)

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDEINCE then you are still in your SINS because you havre rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18; 20; 26; Romans 6:23) If your tree has no fruit then it will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matt 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27).

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodForever · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

As I will for you. You cannot shine light on another when you are walking in darkness and your lamp has gone out my friend.

Psa 119:105
Your word is a lamp to my feet, and a light to my path.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. SIN will keep all who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

ElAmor · Feb 20, 2018

dcontroversal said:

1 Corinthians 15:52-58 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

ZOMBIES have no spirit and is therefore just "WALKING DEAD"
and Faith without works is DEAD just the same.

Romans 13:11-14 And do this, understanding the present time. The hour has come for you to WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER, because OUR SALVATION IS NEARER NOW than when we first believed. The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us PUT ASIDE THE DEEDS OF DARKNESS and put on the armor of light. Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the sinful nature.

Revelation 3:2-6 WAKE UP! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels. HE WHO HAS AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR what the Spirit says to the churches.

Ephesians 5:14 for it is light that makes everything visible. This is why it is said: “WAKE UP, O sleeper, RISE FROM THE DEAD, and Christ will shine on you.”

LightLoveHope · Feb 20, 2018

gb9 said:

Greetings gb9,

There is a simple idea, that the Lord claim to forgive us and cleanse us.
Now you obviously do not believe this so everything you say flows from this idea.

When you come to Christ, why is it you doubt that He purifies and forgives you?
Maybe because you view of Jesus and faith is so flawed.

I used not to be able to see what is being proposed but now I do. You stay a
sinner bound in your sin, with scripture in you hand. You cannot resolve the failure
you feel so you believe the failure is Gods will and intention even though Paul,
Peter and John call us to live pure, holy lives.

The knew Jesus, so it is us who need to conform and understand this revelation, rather
than changing the revelation to fit our sinful experience. I wish you well, because the
Lord calls those who are willing, grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.

LightLoveHope · Feb 20, 2018

Interesting proposal. "It is finished" means all are saved, nothing more needs to be done.

What "it is finished" means is the ministry and intention of Christ and the Father is finished.

Jesus reveals what He desires to those He desires to reveal things to. The history of
the followers of the way, is meeting people who get angry at the "wrong" understanding of
God.

The way of Jesus is to reach that point of realisation, it is about walking in His will and nothing
else. Our problems are within and accepting the limitations we live under and aspiring to serve
the King of Kings. Jesus and love are eternal realities, not arguments. They come to dwell in
your heart or you have missed it completely. And missing it, has no 2nd chances, because it
is about eternal realities, which are subtle. When Jesus said few find the way, I begin to see
why. Grace and peace to you, I hope you find a place of forgiveness and rest in Him and learn
to see me not as an enemy but simply as a follower of Jesus.

LoveGodForever · Feb 20, 2018

Magenta said:

Maybe why you are feeling sad is because God is speaking to you and has convicted you on his Word and by rejecting God's Word you are grieving his Spirit?

God ONLY Gives the HOLY Spirit to those who OBEY him. (Acts 5:32). SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY PRACTICE it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

I am ONLY here to share God's WORD because I care for all here and Jesus has bid me come speak his Words because he is not willing that ANYONE Perish and be lost and is longsuffering towards us who seek him.

Call upon the Lord while he is near seek him while he may be found. Tomorrow may be too late.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in it OUT of God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

NoNameMcgee · Feb 20, 2018

LoveGodForever said:

not a chance

its specifically because i know youre on the wrong path

and look to yourself and what you do for hope over what He did

i was where you are
:/

i thank God daily He delivered me from that false gospel

LoveGodForever · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Sorry friend you were the one saying you were sad not me.

Wheather you BELIEVE God's Word or do not BELIEVE the Word of God this is between you and God. I do not judge you. Only God's Word will judge us in the last days.

John 12
46, I am come a light into the world, that whoever believes on me should not abide in darkness.
47, And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

It is God that says SIN will keep all those who CONTINUE TO PRACTICE It out of God's KINGDOM my friend it is between you and him not me and you.

Doesnt' look good for those who work SIN and do not KNOW God come judgement day. ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

The False gospel is the one that says we can CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN and still enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. The very first LIE in the Garden of Eden to Eve. This is the same one you follow so you can keep your traditions that break the commandments of God'

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

VCO · Feb 20, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

><>.t.<><

I have a suggestion, because I have discussed the person called "LoveGodForever". HE CONTINUALLY IS AN AGITATOR, and Wants to believe that Salvation is LINKED to our Obedience, when it is LINKED to GOD's LOVE that was place in our hearts by the Holy Spirit, below is a statement to prove it. Because he is so much of an agitator, I PUT HIM ON MY PERMANENT IGNORE LIST A LONG TIME AGO. Then all I have to see is when he posts anything, all I see is:

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IT WORKS! And therefore he cannot get under my skin.

Here is the proof that it is linked to GOD'S LOVE that HE had the Holy Spirit pour it out in our hearts:

1 John 3:14-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers. The one who does not love remains in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] This is how we have come to know love: He laid down His life for us. We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] If anyone has this world’s goods and sees his brother in need but closes his eyes to his ⌊need⌋—how can God’s love reside in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Little children, we must not love with word or speech, but with truth and action.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] This is how we will know we belong to the truth and will convince our conscience in His presence,

VCO · Feb 20, 2018

That VERSE that mentions GOD's Love, is in ROM. 5:5.

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