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LightLoveHope

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eternally-gratefull said:
Remember when you go to a website, even if you know the people. Investigate what they say, The site you used, and a few others I found which said the same thing all twisted what Scofield said, (yes he did make that quote, but in context, it was not what they claimed he said) and were ths dishonest in their assertions of what it meant,). non of it was true, if they would have researched it, they would have found out also.
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Greeting eternally-gratefull,

I have gone into different churches in my time, and found many varied beliefs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Grace_theology

Free Grace theology is dispensational in its assumptions regarding the philosophy of history and in terms of its networks and affiliations.

“Free Grace” Theology and Matthew 7:21-23 | The Cripplegate

Free grace position (FG)

Among the many passages of Scripture confront the FG view is Matthew 7:21-23 , where Jesus says:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”
The obvious problem that this passage presents for the FG position is the assertion of Jesus that only those who “do the will of my Father” will enter the kingdom. This runs contrary to the FG gospel, which says that most of those who enter the kingdom will not have lived a life of obedience to God during their lives on earth.
One of the primary ways that FG teachers try to solve this dilemma is by using John 6:40 to interpret “the will of My Father” in Matthew 7:21 (e.g., see Joseph Dillow, The Reign of the Servant Kings, 199; Bob Wilkin, Confident in Christ, 216). According to this approach, doing the will of the Father in John 6:40 (and thus in Matthew 7:21) refers to believing in Christ. Therefore, the argument goes, Matthew 7:21 simply says that only those who do the Father’s will (which is to believe in Christ) will enter the kingdom of heaven. And with that, the tension between Matthew 7:21-23 and FG theology is said to vanish.
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If one reads this thread, it follows many of the above arguments.

If people learn more and are growing in fellowship and knowledge of Christ, amen.
One thing I have learnt is until we look and discuss we can often find what and why
we believe may not be as we expected, but rather we agree with another position
when we come to look at it.

Grace and peace to you.
 
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joefizz

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Budman said:
Okay, well...first off, I was born the son of a sharecropper....

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....and it went downhill from there.
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not to mention that you posted a gif of steve martin everything goes down hill from there,as for me I was born completely innocent and born with a sense of humor then I met video games and everything went hay wire.
 
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Budman

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joefizz said:
not to mention that you posted a gif of steve martin everything goes down hill from there,as for me I was born completely innocent and born with a sense of humor then I met video games and everything went hay wire.
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Me too.

Curse you Sega Genesis!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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LightLoveHope said:
Greeting eternally-gratefull,

I have gone into different churches in my time, and found many varied beliefs.



If one reads this thread, it follows many of the above arguments.

If people learn more and are growing in fellowship and knowledge of Christ, amen.
One thing I have learnt is until we look and discuss we can often find what and why
we believe may not be as we expected, but rather we agree with another position
when we come to look at it.

Grace and peace to you.
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when are you going to realise Grace is free? Grace means unmerited favor. Unmerited means unearned. unearned mean you can’t pay for it.


I would also not recommend Wikipedia for your source of truth.

 
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benhur

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dcontroversal said:
AND you said nothing........and or proved nothing........just know this....your working for dogma will not save you nor keep you saved and you have still missed the point of this thread because you cannot see past your own dogma.......
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Isn't it interesting that you use the bible to support your beliefs and they are inspired and glorious. But when someone else uses the same bible to support their beliefs, you relegate their beliefs to being dogma.

Do you cling to your dogma?
 
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dcontroversal

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benhur said:
Isn't it interesting that you use the bible to support your beliefs and they are inspired and glorious. But when someone else uses the same bible to support their beliefs, you relegate their beliefs to being dogma.

Do you cling to your dogma?
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Not hardly.....I equate their TWIST, EMBELLISHMENT and OUT of CONTEXT view as DOGMA.....now...add to the convo something worthy......

Maybe I should have said...Isn't interesting that most of your posts have said little to nothing.....read thru the thread and then mouth!
 
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