GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Dan_473

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The law is not a debt if followed in faith. If we did not have the law there would be no need for grace.
Jesus fullfild the command not to murder right? So it’s ok to murder.... no ofcurse not. We still follow don’t murder right? See what I amm saying? .
so same applys for the sabbath it’s not done way with and forgotten like u make it seem.
We can still keep the sabbath in Remembrance creation by the faith in knowing Lord not only saved us but loved us after the fall.
suppose I'm rock climbing in the wilderness with a partner

she slips and falls
has multiple painful injuries and a punctured lung

we have a supply of morphine (for some reason)

she is writhing in pain
it is unlikely she will live more than two hours

scripture says give strong drink to the one who is perishing
I give her a shot of morphine

her pain stops
her breathing slows (lung damage, opiate)

30 minutes later her breathing stops

have I broken the commandment not to murder? yes
but that debt is paid

I have followed the law of Christ
 

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Hi Dan, not sure what you mean here. Did you want to expand on this a bit further?
sure

you'd talked about
There is nothing hidden that shall NOT be revealed referring to the scriptures, i thought.

something i haven't seen revelation about is whether the first part of John 8 is part of the scriptures
 

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That is not true. Jesus through GOD said,
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
(Mat 5:18-19 KJV)

Then mentions Thou Shalt not Kill and thou Shall not commit adultery from the Ten Commandments and then a few other Statutes from the Book of the Law.

So your teaching that since the Commandments, have no other gods before ME, Idol worship, stealing, bestiality;etc are not mentioned we no longer need be concerned with them?
Wasn't Jesus talking about the Ten Commandments that stand for all time, while Paul was talking about Jewish customs that had become enshrined in law?

And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
(Act 21:17-21 KJV)
 

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Hello MarcR,

You said........



I responded to your statement above with SCRIPTURE SHOWING that we are commanded to keep the GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT; SEVENTH DAY SABBATH, AS A HOLY DAY AND BREAKING IT IS SIN and that THOSE WHO PRACTICE KNOWN SIN WILL NOT ENTER God's KINGDOM.....



Now, MarcR, you have ignored all the scripture sent you that disagrees with your statement that you quoted above saying the God's 4th Commandment is not a commandment.

Then you try and use Acts 15 to say Gentiles no longer have to follow God's 10 Commandments when Acts 15 is talking about the Mosiac laws in relation to CIRCUMCISION? Romas 14 in relation to food and fasting connected to days, Col 2:16-17 which is talking about the annual Jewish Feast day (which is the OP then you have not addressed)

NOW PLEASE tell us WHERE in ANY of the scripture you have provided DOES IT SAY IT IS TALKING ABOUT GOD's 4th Commandment Sabbath?

Where does ANY of those scripture say that God's 4th Commandment have been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP SUNDAY or ANYDAY as a HOLY DAY?



It is NOT me explaining away your INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. I do not NEED to do this. God's WORD does this as it is presented. There is nothing hidden that shall NOT be revealed. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Where does it say in those scriptures you presented that God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are commanded to keep any day as a Holy day? The simple fact is none of them even mention the Sabbath or say any such thing.

Do you KNOW the scriptures MarcR?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we continue to knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
The scriptures I cited specifically address Sabbath observance NOT being required of NT believers.

The scriptures you cited do NOT.
 

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That is not true. Jesus through GOD said,
"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
(Mat 5:18-19 KJV)

Then mentions Thou Shalt not Kill and thou Shall not commit adultery from the Ten Commandments and then a few other Statutes from the Book of the Law.

So your teaching that since the Commandments, have no other gods before ME, Idol worship, stealing, bestiality;etc are not mentioned we no longer need be concerned with them?
Nothing has passed from the Law. The Law is still in full force and effect. The purpose of the Law is to persuade people that we can't please God by our own efforts; and that we need a Savior. It also reveals that Jesus is that Savior. You are trying to make the Law into something God NEVER intended it to be.
 

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Wasn't Jesus talking about the Ten Commandments that stand for all time, while Paul was talking about Jewish customs that had become enshrined in law?

And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
(Act 21:17-21 KJV)
God's Word is not Jewish, or Jewish customs or traditions. Paul spoke out against the "Commandments of MEN" that the Jews taught as "Doctrines". In other words, Paul and Jesus spoke out against the mainstream religion of that time which as Jesus clearly pointed out, were "Teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men" not from God. So Paul was speaking out against their religious traditions which "Transgressed the Commandments of God". These were the "Jewish traditions. Not the Word of God.

The 10 Commandments, God's Salvation plan called His Holy Days, etc., these are not Jewish traditions. Jesus did not qualify to pay my death penalty by following "worthless Jewish Traditions" as many on this forum imply. For this reason God inspired it to be written for us to "Walk even as He walked".

His walk, including observance to God's Instructions, was the perfect, Holy and Good walk.

Paul explains like this.

Rom. 11:16 For if the firstfruit(Jesus) be holy, the lump (His Fleshy walk) is also holy: and if the root (foundation) be holy, so are the branches. (Those like Abraham and Caleb and Zechariahs)
And if some of the branches be broken off,(disobedient Jews) and thou, being a wild olive tree, (Gentile) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;



18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.


19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief (they didn't trust Him enough to follow His Instructions))they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.(trust Him enough to follow His Instructions) Be not highminded, but fear:




21 For if God spared not the natural branches,(for rejecting His Words) take heed lest he also spare not thee.


22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.




The preaching that God was a Jew, or that His Commands were Jewish traditions is not true








 

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God's Word is not Jewish, or Jewish customs or traditions. Paul spoke out against the "Commandments of MEN" that the Jews taught as "Doctrines". In other words, Paul and Jesus spoke out against the mainstream religion of that time which as Jesus clearly pointed out, were "Teaching for Doctrines the Commandments of Men" not from God. So Paul was speaking out against their religious traditions which "Transgressed the Commandments of God". These were the "Jewish traditions. Not the Word of God.

The 10 Commandments, God's Salvation plan called His Holy Days, etc., these are not Jewish traditions. Jesus did not qualify to pay my death penalty by following "worthless Jewish Traditions" as many on this forum imply. For this reason God inspired it to be written for us to "Walk even as He walked".

His walk, including observance to God's Instructions, was the perfect, Holy and Good walk.

Paul explains like this.

Rom. 11:16 For if the firstfruit(Jesus) be holy, the lump (His Fleshy walk) is also holy: and if the root (foundation) be holy, so are the branches. (Those like Abraham and Caleb and Zechariahs)
And if some of the branches be broken off,(disobedient Jews) and thou, being a wild olive tree, (Gentile) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;



18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.


19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief (they didn't trust Him enough to follow His Instructions))they were broken off, and thou standest by faith.(trust Him enough to follow His Instructions) Be not highminded, but fear:




21 For if God spared not the natural branches,(for rejecting His Words) take heed lest he also spare not thee.


22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

The preaching that God was a Jew, or that His Commands were Jewish traditions is not true
I have been talking to Jews for the last few years who make a point of saying YHWH is the national God of the Jews, i.e. a Jew, as are His Commands.

Now you are saying that is not true. So who is right, you or the hard-line Jews, because I have had it rammed down my throat for the last three or four years.

Second. Since when have the Ten Commandments been called God's Holy Days?

Third. Why was Paul telling Jewish Christians to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs?
 
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PS;3459885]I have been talking to Jews for the last few years who make a point of saying YHWH is the national God of the Jews, i.e. a Jew, as are His Commands.

Now you are saying that is not true. So who is right, you or the hard-line Jews, because I have had it rammed down my throat for the last three or four years.
God is right, not man or hard line Jews. If you believe God was a Jew, I don't know what to say. God created man. Man didn't create God. Jesus called the Pharisees (hard line Jews) "children of satan". Why on earth would you listen to them?

Second. Since when have the Ten Commandments been called God's Holy Days?
Lev. 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

It seems Jesus, before He became a man, is telling the Israelites about HIS Salvation plan which starts with Passover, it doesn't end with Passover as todays Mainstream Preachers imply. He didn't tell them God's Commandments and holy Days were theirs, He tells them these instructions were HIS. This is an important Biblical Reality.

3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Third. Why was Paul telling Jewish Christians to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs?
Paul wasn't telling the Jews to forsake Moses. They accused Paul of doing this, but it wasn't true.

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:


39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The Jews refused to accept Jesus as their High Priest. They still pushed their version of the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Paul was simply sharing the Old Testament promises of the Christ. Moses told us of Jesus but like Jesus said, had they trusted Moses, they would have known Him.

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
6 Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.

Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law:
21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

Remember, Jesus said the taught for doctrines "The Commandments (Laws) of Man", not God.

Paul responded.

13 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

And again;

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

All taught from Moses and the Prophets.

21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


So according to the Bible Paul didn't tell them to forsake Moses. They accused them of doing this, but the scriptures teach they were liars. Paul furthered the teaching of Jesus, the Old Testament, which exposed the mainstream religion of their time as from man and not from God. Because everything you know has been filtered through religious men who transgress the commandments of God by their own religious traditions, you haven't been taught this. But it's right there in your Bible if are interested.
 

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God is right, not man or hard line Jews. If you believe God was a Jew, I don't know what to say. God created man. Man didn't create God. Jesus called the Pharisees (hard line Jews) "children of satan". Why on earth would you listen to them?
It's not me who believes God is a Jew, that was the Jews I was talking to who said that.

If you misunderstand what is being said to you, there is little point in continuing.
 

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It's not me who believes God is a Jew, that was the Jews I was talking to who said that.

If you misunderstand what is being said to you, there is little point in continuing.
You said:

I have been talking to Jews for the last few years who make a point of saying YHWH is the national God of the Jews, i.e. a Jew, as are His Commands.

Now you are saying that is not true. So who is right, you or the hard-line Jews, because I have had it rammed down my throat for the last three or four years.
I did assume having a teaching crammed down your throat did mean that it was now your belief. I have also read other posts where you implied certain God's Commands were only for the Jews. I don't know why you would pit my post against some people I have never spoken to.

At any rate I have responded with scriptures proving your hard liner friends are in error. If I have taken your posts to mean you believe God or at least His Commandments, were only for the Jews, I apologize. If you understand that God is not a Jew, or that His Word is not specifically for a certain DNA then that is wonderful. But your posts do imply differently, in my opinion.
 

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has it been revealed to use those texts?

or are we beginning to appeal to church tradition?
That is a good question.

The Majority Text and the Alexandrian are the two major Greek text to which most of our New Testament Bibles come from.

However at the time that it was Canonized only the Majority text and Latin Vulgate were available.

Was it to be? Is it GOD ordained?

The recognition of these writings as authoritative was formalized in the Second Council of Trullan of 692.

Did GOD have HIS hand in the formalization?

Is GOD faithful?

Yes to both of these questions.

However Did The New Testament come into being because of our lack of Faith?
 
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That is a good question.

The Majority Text and the Alexandrian are the two major Greek text to which most of our New Testament Bibles come from.

However at the time that it was Canonized only the Majority text and Latin Vulgate were available.

Was it to be? Is it GOD ordained?

The recognition of these writings as authoritative was formalized in the Second Council of Trullan of 692.

Did GOD have HIS hand in the formalization?

Is GOD faithful?

Yes to both of these questions.

However Did The New Testament come into being because of our lack of Faith?
do you believe all the things the church councils decided?

does God ensure that when the elders of the church meet in council, their conclusions are guided by the holy spirit?
 
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Originally Posted by MarcR

Quite true.

However, the whole truth is that we are not commanded to keep any day. Neither the seventh day nor the first day is commanded. We are not commanded NOT to keep the seventh day either. If we believe that the [seventh day] Sabbath should be kept we are at liberty to keep it as our conscience directs. The important thing thing to realize is that neither our salvation nor our relationship with God (Father, Son, or Spirit) depends on keeping or not keeping the Sabbath.

Your statement above
has NO truth in it whatsoever. Where are your scriptures?

It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Let's see why...God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing SIN (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement(Hebrews 10:26-27)

GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT


Origin....

Genesis 2
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Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4th Commandment of the 10 that gives a KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172)

Exodus 20
8, Remember the
SABBATH DAY , to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day; He knew his professed people would forget it)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God : in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY : wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT


Breaking God's 4th Commandment is SIN just like breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments. SIN will keep ALL who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.

What does Jesus say?....

Mark 2
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And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.

The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND

Matthew 12
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For the Son of man IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.

The SABBATH DAY = the "LORDS DAY"

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break ANY one of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20)

If we KNOWINGLY break any of God's 10 Commandments we stang guitly before God in SIN

James 2
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If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

links to........

Hebrews 10
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For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Applied to the TARES growing with the WHEAT, these are those hav ing a FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING GOD'S POWER FOR SALVATION FROM SIN. (Matt 13:30; 2 Tim 3:5; 1 John 2:3-4).

links to........

Matthew 7
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Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FARTHERS WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
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Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPARTH FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (Iniquity)

HOW DO WE KNOW WE KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
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And HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

WHO ARE GOD'S SAINTS?

Revelation 14
12,
HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS:
here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

SIN will keep ALL those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY PRACTICE IT OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM.

MarcR, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
You my friend responded with....

Acts 15:24-29
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV

Note that no mention of Sabbath keeping is included.

Rom 14:4-6
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
KJV

Col 2:16-17
6 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV

I am sure that you will attempt to explain these away because they don't fit your doctrinal brainwashing; but they can't be explained away; and your teaching is wrong.

Your saying that something (whether a statement of mine or anything else) is untrue does NOT make it untrue.
You don't have that authority.
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Hello MarcR,

I responded to your statement above with SCRIPTURE SHOWING that we are commanded to keep the GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT; SEVENTH DAY SABBATH, AS A HOLY DAY AND BREAKING IT IS SIN and that THOSE WHO PRACTICE KNOWN SIN WILL NOT ENTER God's KINGDOM.....


Now, MarcR, you have ignored all the scripture sent you that disagrees with your statement that you quoted above saying the God's 4th Commandment is not a commandment.

Then you try and use Acts 15 to say Gentiles no longer have to follow God's 10 Commandments when Acts 15 is talking about the Mosiac laws in relation to CIRCUMCISION? Romas 14 in relation to food and fasting connected to days, Col 2:16-17 which is talking about the annual Jewish Feast day (which is the OP then you have not addressed)

NOW PLEASE tell us WHERE in ANY of the scripture you have provided DOES IT SAY IT IS TALKING ABOUT GOD's 4th Commandment Sabbath?

Where does ANY of those scripture say that God's 4th Commandment have been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP SUNDAY or ANYDAY as a HOLY DAY?

It is NOT me explaining away your INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. I do not NEED to do this. God's WORD does this as it is presented. There is nothing hidden that shall NOT be revealed. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Where does it say in those scriptures you presented that God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are commanded to keep any day as a Holy day? The simple fact is none of them even mention the Sabbath or say any such thing.

You have provided no scripture references to say NT BELIEVERS are not required to OBEY God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments. If we break it just like any of the 10 we commit SIN and

Do you KNOW the scriptures MarcR?

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we continue to knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
In which you say......

The scriptures I cited specifically address Sabbath observance NOT being required of NT believers.
The scriptures you cited do NOT.
Where in Acts 15, Romans 14 is even a single scripture that even talks about the Sabbath?

Col 2:16 is in referece to the OP here that disagress with your interpretation of the scripture that you have still not addressed.

You say I have not provided scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is required for NT Believers? Yet Jesus is our example who kept it as did all who followed him.

In your view Jesus is lying when he says that he is Lord of the Sabbath day and that the Sabbath was made for all mankind (Matt 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)?

In your view James, Paul and John are all lying when they say that if we break ANY of Gods 10 Commandments we commit SIN (James 2:8-12; Exodus 20:8-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)?

In your view, God is lying when he tells us that if anyone CONTINUES to practice KNOWN SIN will NOT Enter into God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27) ?

I would not like to be telling those things to God come judgment day. He will pronounce to all those who profess his name that have the form of Godliness but deny his POWER; I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN (iniquity). Matt 7:12-23.

We ONLY have today to hear His Voice (the Word) tommorrow may be too late. What will you do with your time?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Do you know the scriptures MarcR?
 
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I did assume having a teaching crammed down your throat did mean that it was now your belief. I have also read other posts where you implied certain God's Commands were only for the Jews. I don't know why you would pit my post against some people I have never spoken to.

At any rate I have responded with scriptures proving your hard liner friends are in error. If I have taken your posts to mean you believe God or at least His Commandments, were only for the Jews, I apologize. If you understand that God is not a Jew, or that His Word is not specifically for a certain DNA then that is wonderful. But your posts do imply differently, in my opinion.
The Ten Commandments are for everyone, while the 613 Mitzvot laws that include stoning to death, are the equivalent of our civil law, or to make it clearer the Mitzvot laws are Jewish law. Paul tells us that Gentiles do not have to follow Jewish law. Circumcision is an obvious one, that is specifically for Jews and if they think that will get them to heaven along with all the pot washing rituals and the other things they do, they are sadly mistaken.
 

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You my friend responded with....



This was responded to with......



In which you say......



Where in Acts 15, Romans 14 is even a single scripture that even talks about the Sabbath?

Col 2:16 is in referece to the OP here that disagress with your interpretation of the scripture that you have still not addressed.

You say I have not provided scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is required for NT Believers? Yet Jesus is our example who kept it as did all who followed him.

In your view Jesus is lying when he says that he is Lord of the Sabbath day and that the Sabbath was made for all mankind (Matt 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)?

In your view James, Paul and John are all lying when they say that if we break ANY of Gods 10 Commandments we commit SIN (James 2:8-12; Exodus 20:8-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20)?

In your view, God is lying when he tells us that if anyone CONTINUES to practice KNOWN SIN will NOT Enter into God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27) ?

I would not like to be telling those things to God come judgment day. He will pronounce to all those who profess his name that have the form of Godliness but deny his POWER; I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN (iniquity). Matt 7:12-23.

We ONLY have today to hear His Voice (the Word) tommorrow may be too late. What will you do with your time?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Do you know the scriptures MarcR?


Your declaring something untrue does NOT make it untrue!

Yes I know the Scriptures. I use the entire Bible to support my positions; and I am NOT brainwashed by Ellen G White's nonsense as you appear to be.
 
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Your declaring something untrue does NOT make it untrue!
True but if God says something is true then we know it is true.

1 John 2
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.
 
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True but if God says something is true then we know it is true.

1 John 2
3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.
The first verse that understandably you did not quote says, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Ellen G White has been tested, found false and should not be believed.
 
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The first verse that understandably you did not quote says, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."
Ellen G White has been tested, found false and should not be believed.
Well none of that is true.........

1 John 2
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My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Nope not what your saying...

3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Nope what you quoted is not even in the cahpter. Do you know him PS?

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we continue to knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
 
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