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Quite true.
However, the whole truth is that we are not commanded to keep any day. Neither the seventh day nor the first day is commanded. We are not commanded NOT to keep the seventh day either. If we believe that the [seventh day] Sabbath should be kept we are at liberty to keep it as our conscience directs. The important thing thing to realize is that neither our salvation nor our relationship with God (Father, Son, or Spirit) depends on keeping or not keeping the Sabbath.
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Your statement above has NO truth in it whatsoever. Where are your scriptures?
It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Let's see why...God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing SIN (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement(Hebrews 10:26-27)
GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT
Origin....
Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4th Commandment of the 10 that gives a KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172)
Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY , to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day; He knew his professed people would forget it)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God : in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY : wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT
Breaking God's 4th Commandment is SIN just like breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments. SIN will keep ALL who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.
What does Jesus say?....
Mark 2
27, And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND
Matthew 12
8, For the Son of man IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
The SABBATH DAY = the "LORDS DAY"
What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break ANY one of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20)
If we KNOWINGLY break any of God's 10 Commandments we stang guitly before God in SIN
James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
links to........
Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Applied to the TARES growing with the WHEAT, these are those hav ing a FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING GOD'S POWER FOR SALVATION FROM SIN. (Matt 13:30; 2 Tim 3:5; 1 John 2:3-4).
links to........
Matthew 7
21, Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FARTHERS WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPARTH FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (Iniquity)
HOW DO WE KNOW WE KNOW GOD?
1 John 2
3, And HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
WHO ARE GOD'S SAINTS?
Revelation 14
12, HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.
SIN will keep ALL those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY PRACTICE IT OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM.
MarcR, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.
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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
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Quite true.
However, the whole truth is that we are not commanded to keep any day. Neither the seventh day nor the first day is commanded. We are not commanded NOT to keep the seventh day either. If we believe that the [seventh day] Sabbath should be kept we are at liberty to keep it as our conscience directs. The important thing thing to realize is that neither our salvation nor our relationship with God (Father, Son, or Spirit) depends on keeping or not keeping the Sabbath.
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Your statement above has NO truth in it whatsoever. Where are your scriptures?
It seems God's WORD disagrees with you. Let's see why...God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing SIN (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement(Hebrews 10:26-27)
GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT
Origin....
Genesis 2
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2, And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
3, And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY <the 7th day>: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4th Commandment of the 10 that gives a KNOWLEDGE OF SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172)
Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY , to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day; He knew his professed people would forget it)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God : in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY : wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT
Breaking God's 4th Commandment is SIN just like breaking ANY of the 10 Commandments. SIN will keep ALL who practice it out of God's KINGDOM.
What does Jesus say?....
Mark 2
27, And he said unto them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the Sabbath.
The Sabbath was made for WHO? The Sabbath was made for MAN. So here we have the God of creation telling us why the 7th Day was made a Holy day. It was made for MANKIND
Matthew 12
8, For the Son of man IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY.
The SABBATH DAY = the "LORDS DAY"
What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?
1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11). If we break ANY one of the 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20)
If we KNOWINGLY break any of God's 10 Commandments we stang guitly before God in SIN
James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak you, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
links to........
Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Applied to the TARES growing with the WHEAT, these are those hav ing a FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING GOD'S POWER FOR SALVATION FROM SIN. (Matt 13:30; 2 Tim 3:5; 1 John 2:3-4).
links to........
Matthew 7
21, Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FARTHERS WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPARTH FROM ME YOU WHO WORK SIN (Iniquity)
HOW DO WE KNOW WE KNOW GOD?
1 John 2
3, And HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
4, HE THAT SAYS, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
WHO ARE GOD'S SAINTS?
Revelation 14
12, HERE IS THE PATIENCE OF THE SAINTS: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.
SIN will keep ALL those who CONTINUE to KNOWINGLY PRACTICE IT OUT of GOD'S KINGDOM.
MarcR, it seems God's WORD disagrees with you.
...................
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Acts 15:24-29
I am sure that you will attempt to explain these away because they don't fit your doctrinal brainwashing; but they can't be explained away; and your teaching is wrong. Your saying that something (whether a statement of mine or anything else) is untrue does NOT make it untrue. You don't have that authority.
Hello MarcR,
You said........
I responded to your statement above with SCRIPTURE SHOWING that we are commanded to keep the GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT; SEVENTH DAY SABBATH, AS A HOLY DAY AND BREAKING IT IS SIN and that THOSE WHO PRACTICE KNOWN SIN WILL NOT ENTER God's KINGDOM.....
Now, MarcR, you have ignored all the scripture sent you that disagrees with your statement that you quoted above saying the God's 4th Commandment is not a commandment.
Then you try and use Acts 15 to say Gentiles no longer have to follow God's 10 Commandments when Acts 15 is talking about the Mosiac laws in relation to CIRCUMCISION? Romas 14 in relation to food and fasting connected to days, Col 2:16-17 which is talking about the annual Jewish Feast day (which is the OP then you have not addressed)
NOW PLEASE tell us WHERE in ANY of the scripture you have provided DOES IT SAY IT IS TALKING ABOUT GOD's 4th Commandment Sabbath?
Where does ANY of those scripture say that God's 4th Commandment have been ABOLISHED and we are now COMMANDED to KEEP SUNDAY or ANYDAY as a HOLY DAY?
It is NOT me explaining away your INTERPRETATION of the scriptures. I do not NEED to do this. God's WORD does this as it is presented. There is nothing hidden that shall NOT be revealed. Take heed therefore that the light which is in you be not darkness. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Where does it say in those scriptures you presented that God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are commanded to keep any day as a Holy day? The simple fact is none of them even mention the Sabbath or say any such thing.
Do you KNOW the scriptures MarcR?
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There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we continue to knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
yes, fulfilled
the law creates a debt
is the debt paid?
then the law is good for learning wisdom about God and his ways
but nothing else.
Seeing as God created the heavens and the earth, I believe every day is His day, and I worship him continually.
If you wish to reduce it to 24 hours, then I believe you are doing God a disservice.
something i haven't seen revelation about is whether the first part of John 8 is part of the scriptures
That is not true. Jesus through GOD said,Quite true.
However, the whole truth is that we are not commanded to keep any day. Neither the seventh day nor the first day is commanded.
Byzantine and the Majority Text or the Alexandrian.something i haven't seen revelation about is whether the first part of John 8 is part of the scriptures
No mention of any of the Ten Commandments. To assert any of them is to assume. These are all from the Book of the Law. The Ten Commandments are not in question here. According to the context of the chapter Circumcision and the Book of the Law are.Acts 15:24-29
...29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV
Note that no mention of Sabbath keeping is included.
No mention of the Sabbath Day here. Don't assume what is not there.Rom 14:4-6
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
KJV
Verse 14 reads the handwriting to the ordinances that were against us; not the handwriting of ordinances. The Decalogue is of the Ordinances, not the handwriting to the ordinances. The Ordinances are the Decalogue and the Commandments and Statutes contained in the Book of the Law that pertained to righteousness. These are they which let us know what sin is. These Were not against us. The Judgements and Statutes that related to when we sin are.Col 2:16-17
6 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
KJV