Not By Works

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Chester

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Budman said:
Can they live in disobedience?

Yes.

Should they?

No.

Salvation is, and will always remain, a gift. Grace is, and always will be, unmerited.

If you work for or to retain either, you've negated both.

Yet again, God will chastise a wandering believer, even to the point of taking them home, but they can never be lost due to their behavior.
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As I said on a different thread, Budman, I appreciate your straightforward and clear answers (though I don't agree with you on the OSAS issue! LOL!)

Very few people are willing to say it straight forward. You believe in OSAS and say clearly that if a person was really born again, that no matter what they ever do in the future, they will be saved and go to heaven. Most others will skirt the issue and be unclear, or say it can't be, etc.

For example (from another thread) you told me that my brother-in-law (if he was really saved) will go to heaven. He was a believer, and now is a practicing atheist. You told me that if he died right now (my crazy "shoot him" scenario! :p :D) he would still be saved even if he is not believing and doing no works at all. If I understood you correctly, you said that even if he became a "Hitlar" that he would still be saved. (That all on the basis that he was really saved - which we as humans can never know for sure - that is God's job!)

(If I am misrepresenting what you said - please correct me . . .)
 
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ElAmor said:
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provoking me...nahh...GROW UP FIRST DC aka NNM and answer my previous questions you ignored.
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ohhh you asked dc a question?

lol

well i still didnt see it

sorry
my bad elamor

i have tried answering everything ive seen from you
 
dcontroversal

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These workers for sure set the example for delusional behavior.........oh well..............maybe one day they will let Jesus and HIS work do what they themselves cannot do......make the kingdom of God.

Just saying....that is
 
Locutus

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LightLoveHope said:
That is called hypocracy, and the true definition of it.
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PeterJens said:
a. The imputed righteousness of Christ a neat little trick that does not work

Jesus righteousness spray. This idea is God does not see sin because Jesus's righteousness

b. Jesus and faith is not enough


c. Having security in Jesus is an idol

I know who the pure and holy would choose, so what is your faith in, the cross and
victory, or compromise and hypocracy?
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It's hypocrisy Peter...


He cracy.....
 
preston39

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Ralph- said:
Then that means a person MUST have works or else they are not saved.

Do you want to now argue that a believer doesn't have to have works to be saved?
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R....,

One need not be in possession of anything for repenting......other than the commitment to live a righteous life.
 
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dcontroversal said:
These workers for sure set the example for delusional behavior.........oh well..............maybe one day they will let Jesus and HIS work do what they themselves cannot do......make the kingdom of God.

Just saying....that is
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MAYBE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO SAY "WHAT THE ZOMBIES CANNOT DO" AS THEY ARE "WALKING DEAD"
 
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:D Exactly!!




Budman said:
Can they live in disobedience?

Yes.

Should they?

No.

Salvation is, and will always remain, a gift. Grace is, and always will be, unmerited.

If you work for or to retain either, you've negated both.

Yet again, God will chastise a wandering believer, even to the point of taking them home, but they can never be lost due to their behavior.
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Yes or No Ralphie,....

There are sins that Jesus did not pay the penalty for?

Yes, lets put an end to this please!! answer the question.....Yes or No?

Your only choice is Yes based on what your preach....Jesus did not pay the penalty for all sins that a person commits, and now you preach a different gospel.

Sad :(




Ralph- said:
McGee, Deek, Joe, Lucy, PennEd, Eternally-grateful, Budman,

Let's put an end to this right now.

Can a person who puts their trust in Christ then live any way they want and they still be saved?

Yes, or no?
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UnderGrace said:
Yes or No Ralphie,....

There are sins that Jesus did not pay the penalty for?

Yes, lets put an end to this please!! answer the question.....Yes or No?

Your only choice is Yes based on what your preach....Jesus did not pay the penalty for all sins that a person commits, and now you preach a different gospel.

Sad :(
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Yes, there is a sin Jesus did not pay the penalty for.

Jesus did not pay the penalty for rejecting Jesus Christ.

That is the sin that man alone will bear. There is no sacrifice for that.
 
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Budman said:
Can they live in disobedience?

Yes.

Should they?

No.

Salvation is, and will always remain, a gift. Grace is, and always will be, unmerited.

If you work for or to retain either, you've negated both.

Yet again, God will chastise a wandering believer, even to the point of taking them home, but they can never be lost due to their behavior.
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As long as you are here no one can say it's not being said here that a person can live any way they want after being saved.
 
preston39

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King James Bible
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.
 
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BillG said:
No.
You must have faith to be saved.


True genuine faith is what justifies us, not our works.

That being the case then having been justified by faith then works will be evidence of that.
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That's what I've been saying all along.



BillG said:
So to finish and in order to appease Ralph. So how many people on this thread would say it's ok to do what we want after confessing Jesus, sin all we want and still be saved?
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No one says it's 'okay'. What is being said is 'you can do what you want and be saved at the same time'. But the Bible says if you are doing what you want after saying you're saved, you are showing that you did not get saved.
 
Chester

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Ralph- said:
As long as you are here no one can say it's not being said here that a person can live any way they want after being saved.
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At least two people - see post 55812 and 55815
 
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UnderGrace said:
Yes or No Ralphie,....

There are sins that Jesus did not pay the penalty for?

Yes, lets put an end to this please!! answer the question.....Yes or No?

Your only choice is Yes based on what your preach....Jesus did not pay the penalty for all sins that a person commits, and now you preach a different gospel.

Sad :(
Ralph- said:
McGee, Deek, Joe, Lucy, PennEd, Eternally-grateful, Budman,

Let's put an end to this right now.

Can a person who puts their trust in Christ then live any way they want and they still be saved?

Yes, or no?
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You see, UnderGrace, when a person receives Christ and they then live any way they want they are rejecting Christ. There is no sacrifice for that sin. But many people are being deceived by this new grace movement in the church that says for the 'believer' Christ's sacrifice covers even the sin of rejecting Christ's sacrifice.

What's 'new' about this grace teaching? It's new in that it differs from the two basic grace teachings the church has traditionally believed. Calvinism says the person who lives in sin after saying they are born again was never really born again to begin with. Arminianism says the person who lives in sin after saying they are born again was either never really born again to begin with or lost their salvation (their living in sin being the evidence of them being not born again).

The new grace doctrine in the church says not even going back to being an unbeliever can cause the person who once believed to forfeit their salvation. Works mean nothing. They neither show you to be saved, or unsaved. It's the believing that you did in the past in a moment of time that matters. If anything else mattered, even continuing to believe, that would be a works gospel. That is the new grace doctrine destroying the assembly. Everybody who thinks they can live in sin and it doesn't matter to salvation is embracing the new grace doctrine, whether they know they are or not.
 
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Chester said:
At least two people - see post 55812 and 55815
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I missed that post.

As long as they are here no one can say it is not being said here by anyone that we can live any way we want and still be saved.
 
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